Monday, February 2, 2009

When Do We Cross Over the Line?


Being an iconoclast and a humorist, I find that I am often amused by irreverence. This is especially true when the impious behavior is directed toward poking fun at the rich and powerful, regardless of their race, ethnicity, sex/gender, or sexual orientation. And yes, in my own attempts to juxtapose disparate ideas or simply get a laugh, I have certainly stepped over that ever shifting and often unrecognizable line between being clever and being offensive. I never try to offend, I should add, but when pushing into new territories of thinking, sometimes it just happens.

Recently I have been struck by some pieces of humor directed toward Barack Obama and I have been trying ascertain whether the creators have crossed a line. The first one, the photo with the watermelons (above), is titled something like "No, children, there will be no Easter Egg hunt at the White House this year." Playing directly on the stereotype that black people lose themselves in the presence of watermelon, any of us would have a difficult time maintaining that the photo was created in the spirit of a good, healthy laugh.

But why would it be seen as offensive? First, when someone says that something is "offensive," that person is actually saying that he or she feels attacked--and that the attack hurts. Second, feeling attacked in this way stems from sensing that the attacker believes that there is some degree of truth to their offensive statement, video, photo, etc. I've always thought that "offense" is the wrong way to describe such a feeling, but it's the one that we're stuck with for the time being.

While I find myself saying that people can too easily toss around the "I'm offended at that" statement, particularly because when asked many cannot say exactly what they are offended by, I do recognize that the essential feeling of not wanting to be judged is what is at the core of the feeling--and how many of us mind if others compare us to people who are like us in some identifiable way (e.g., from our nuclear family) but then engage in some immoral or improper behavior (e.g., walk around town naked while proclaiming the gospel of L. Ron Hubbard)?

I've heard people argue that joking that black people like watermelon is much like joking that Japanese like sushi or that Koreans like kimchi or that Mexicans like hot peppers. Sure not all do, but by and large those foods are extremely popular in those three cultures and so the generalization works. The difference, and hence why the White House watermelon image is offensive, is that blacks have been historically portrayed as hapless, stupid and apelike while eating watermelon. In other words, the watermelon has been used as a prop to drive home the point that black people are inferior.

So last year someone produced a CD with a number of songs on it and passed it around in (mostly) conservative circles--after Rush Limbaugh hawked it on his radio show. Most of the songs simply poke fun at liberals and hypocrisy (e.g., John Edwards Poverty Tour"), but others were written to provoke. One was called "Barack the Magic Negro" (the tune of "Puff the Magic Dragon" with lyrics about Obama). My first question to myself was, Is this how Republicans are hoping to recapture the black vote? In fact, one of the men who was vying for leadership of the Republican National Committee, Chip Saltsman, sent it to his supporters. That's pretty dumb. Forget about political correctness for a moment, and whether free speech should be curtailed. Just ask this question: Would you want a guy leading YOUR political organization who thought it was okay to send such a song out to people who are already considered by many to be oblivious to race concerns--if not outright racist? Oh yeah, THAT GUY will surely revive the Republican Party.

Listen for yourself:

"Barack the Magic Negro"


Here's another song making light of Latinos who are perceived to not want to assimilate into the United States and who, it is thought by many, want to turn this country from one that is English speaking to another that is Spanish speaking. So imagine that you are like the majority of Mexican Americans in this country and have taken residency in the United States, speak English, and swear allegiance to the stars and stripes. Along comes a song that tells others around you--your barber, your electrician, your boss, your child's teacher--that Mexicans don't want to be Americans and have fealty first and foremost to Mexico. The negative repercussions could be enormous, like the Latino residents who have recently been killed by angry youths on the streets of NYC who simply wanted to beat down an immigrant. Clearly someone or some thing helped these youth to cross over some line between humor and offense--and the shift had grave consequences for those who died. (One, by the way, was from a tiny town in the Ecuadorian Andes where I spent several weeks working with the local priest, and so the story did hit home with me.)

Listen to this song:

"Star Spanglish Banner"


What do you think? Do YOU know how Mexicans feel? With how many Mexicans have you spoken about this issue? What do you know about how such sentiments positively or negatively affect their lives? How would you feel about Mexican neighbors or co-workers or roommates or playmates for your child AFTER listening to this song?

169 comments:

Anonymous said...

In response to “When do we cross over the line”, I feel that white people in our country have a sense that they are the overpowering race. The crime that we have to deal with is unreal because of how some people think. They say that immigrants aren’t acclimating, yet they are doing so faster than many of our great grandparents did when they arrived. They are definitely at a disadvantage because of the stereotypes that we, as Americans have. If the Republicans are making fun of our president, I think it is extremely wrong of them to do so. These people have crossed the line in my eyes. I don’t think it is right for Obama to be made fun of because of his race; he hasn’t even had a chance to show his talents being in office for a week. I like watermelons. I see no reason to take a hit on African Americans with the use of watermelon. However, one of my good friends from home is African American, and I have found myself holding some comments back because I’m not sure how she would take them. It is really hard control yourself from crossing that line, or even knowing what it is. There are obvious racial slurs that would affect them negatively, but I have found that even just a regular conversation can be hard. Before I met her I didn’t know a single African American, so I honestly never even thought about if what I was saying was wrong or not. My town is extremely white, and it’s not like I was brought up as being racist, but I had never been in a place where I could become friends with African Americans. So when I met her, it was a little difficult at first. When I went over to her house, I was talking with her mom and sister and all I could think was that this is completely different than my house and what my mom and sister would say to her. Over time, I really loved going over there because it was just something different that I could experience. It made me realize how different another person’s life is because of where they come from. With my other friends, I have found that our families are similar and they act in about the same way. But when I’m with her, many things are different. She taught me what soul food is. Therefore, after meeting my friend, I have realized how easy it is to cross that line and say something that isn’t appropriate. It takes time to realize things that you can’t say. What may seem okay to you can be offensive to someone else.

Anonymous said...

Wow, that was offensive, and just plain mean. I don’t get “offended” easily but there is a fine line between being funny and slightly mean and just being funny no matter who you piss off. I was expecting stuff like that picture with the watermelons, I’ve already seen similar things on facebook and the like and frankly, people are coming off just plain racist. Yes, it may be funny to them and it may just be a joke, but it wasn’t posted on such a public forum for no reason. I can’t say that I wouldn’t laugh at some pictures, and I’m not “authentically black” just like Obama. The biggest thing I have a hard time understanding is that these people who put up pictures like the one on their blog as their facebook picture on inauguration day swear on their life they aren’t racist. You might be mad it wasn’t McCain, I understand that, and you might think the picture is funny, but posting it like that makes me think why else did you do that. Both songs weren’t aiming to be funny, they were aiming to belittle someone for whatever reason. The fact that republicans say they can’t get the minority vote is THEIR FAULT, not the fact that minorities, like me, hate them for one reason or another. Sending a video around about Obama was stupid and let’s hope it doesn’t get highly publicized for their sake since he is our new president. The second video was even worse, I hate the fact that so many people are so proud and hate immigrants so much. Where do these people think they came from? There is one group of people who can truly say they didn’t emigrate here, native Americans, that’s it. Everyone who hates the Mexicans who have made the difficult journey here need to consider the fact that their ancestors may not have gotten here the legal way. While there are problems because of them, I don’t hate them and realize they, like my dad who left Poland for political reasons, are people just trying to get a better life. I think the line of what’s funny and what’s offensive will be coming up a lot more often because Obama is in office. I think we have a long way to go in race relations this country, as evident as the ongoing jokes about the “black house”. Tying back into the blog about MLK’s dream being fulfilled, I don’t think it was, but it will be one day. I laugh and joke about race all the time, there’s funny things about every race, I just have to make sure I don’t piss someone off and don’t cross the line of offense.

Anonymous said...

After reading the article “When Do we Cross over the Line?” I was reminded of my group discussion today with my recitation group for this class. We got on the topic of what really offends certain people, certain races, certain socioeconomic statuses etc. The answer we came up with in class was that every person has a distinct line that you can’t cross when making certain remarks about someone. We originally decided that each group of people has their own political correctness line, but then once we discussed it, someone brought up a good point that what may offend one African American may not offend the next. A big reason why so many people are making racist remarks about Barack Obama, is because no one really has anything personal to make jokes about him for. He is a brand new President, and has not really done anything outrageous to draw national attention to him. Eventually, President Bill Clinton made a mistake with the Monica Lewinsky issue, and the public really let him have it. George Bush was constantly being made fun of for the dumb comments he would make when speaking in public. When both of these Presidents were sworn in, they were also brand new like Barack Obama, so the public had nothing to make fun of, but a racist joke against the 42nd and 43rd white Presidents of our country just would not get many people to laugh.
In recitation today, we also discussed why other stereotypes do not offend people of different races, but no one could really come up with a definitive answer like the one in the article. After thinking about it, I believe the reason blacks are so offended by the fried chicken and watermelon stereotype is not only because they are cheap and unhealthy, but also because these foods are not native to Africa. Yes, people say the Italians can go eat their pasta and pizza, and Mexicans can have their tacos, but these are all foods native to their respective countries, so these people take great pride in it. Today, my TA Don made a comment about racism that really made me think from a different perspective. He said that you empower racist words by letting them anger you, and this statement really is true and good point. I see myself as a joking and open person when it comes to my race, and I have never let anyone really get to me in any way with any comments made about my background. I remember in high school I had a Zippo lighter with a green four leaf clover and the word “Lucky,” inscribed on it. I loved the lighter and I thought it was cool that I have Irish heritage and the lighter is an Irish lighter. Of course, my 3 closest friends are all Italian so they would call it my “mic lighter,” which is a derogatory term for the Irish. I would respond by calling them “wop” or “dego” and all of us would laugh about it. After reading this article however, I have opened my mind and thought about how a minority would feel if a person of the majority were to make a derogatory comment towards them.

Anonymous said...

I think the line between funny and offensive can be very unclear at times. I think a lot of times people do over exaggerate and say they are offended when they shouldn’t be. I think because I am not of a group that has ever been inferior, I find statements that are untrue about myself very offensive. If someone said something smart about me being white I wouldn’t take it offensive because there is no history of that. But at the same time I think it is understandable to be offended by some of the racist statements directed towards groups such as blacks and Mexicans. They have worked so hard to get the rights that they have today and when someone says a racist thing it slows the progress down.
The picture with the watermelons along with the smart statement below would be offensive to the whole black society. I feel like most of all they should show respect to the president of the United States. I think it was very distasteful for the Republican Party to have any part in the spreading of “Barack the Magic Negro”. They are also supposed to be respectable figures in our government. The fact that they spread this song shows their disrespect to our President.
The president is supposed to be someone you look up to, and it is important to show him respect. Therefore, I think it was crossing the line with the comments that were made because people see him as inferior. Like Kaylee I grew up in a town that was mostly white and I always grew up hearing racial joke and such, but I never thought they were acceptable. It is hard for me to see how anyone can see that as acceptable behavior joking or not. I just think people need to know the appropriate time and place to be sarcastic or outgoing.
I think it would be a different story if people knew the personality of the person saying the comment, and they knew they had a very outgoing, humorous personality. If that were the case they could know how to take the person so that they wouldn’t be offended. It’s just hard to know whether someone is joking or serious when you don’t even know anything about that person.
The Star Spangle banner tune does make people look down on the Mexican society. It makes people honestly believe that Mexicans don’t want to be Americans. It especially makes it difficult for sheltered people to understand that Mexicans are just as proud to be Americans. I say sheltered people because I don’t feel they would have as much of an opportunity to see that Mexicans really are patriotic.

Anonymous said...

According to the Webster’s dictionary offensive means to make an attack or design for an attack. Do I believe there is a thin line between humor and offense? Yes! Especially in the “jokes” made about President Barack Obama and the Mexican “Star Spanglish banner”. Now how bored does someone have to be to come up with these songs. Not only do I find it offensive, I find it very childish. We are living in the 21st Century and there are still attacks made to innocent bystanders because of their race, ethnicity, and/or cultural background. Just because everyone was not born the same way doesn’t mean there need to be rude remarks about them. For instance, Obama has made history by becoming the first (half) black president and has been the leader for a little over two weeks and already there are “jokes” made about him, such as the watermelons at the White House. I don’t ever remember anyone making any “red neck” comments about Bush when he became president (hmm…I wonder why?). The fact is, many people can’t handle that at one time black and/or minorities were inferior to white people and now there is a minority in charge of the U.S. Also, this “joke” may not be offensive to Obama but it may be offensive to other people who look up to him as inspiration or to others in general. But as my father once said, “Once you make it to the top there is always someone there to hate on you”. Also the song about Barack the Magic negro” is beyond stupid and those people need to find other things to do with their lives.

In addition, the song about the Mexicans seems very degrading. I haven’t talked to any Mexicans about this issue because I just heard about it, but if I was in their shoes I would be highly upset. Growing up with immigrant parents, I understood the struggles they had to go through in order to live in this country and it was not an easy route. So I can imagine the hardship of the Mexican immigrants coming up here to become apart of this great country and then get slandered by the citizens. Is this what America is all about? Degrading others so that Americans can get a good laugh? That seems crazy to me. I am sure they have worked hard enough, in order to live here and not get slandered by dumb people who have nothing else to do with their lives. I would like them to do the same things the Mexicans have done to make it here, and let’s see if they would be successful! I highly doubt it. My point is that no one has the right to downgrade other people because they look different and/or speak different. That’s what makes the U.S. such a unique country, because of the high concentration of diversity!

Anonymous said...

I think that in this day and age people take things way too seriously and literally. If everyone would simply lighten up and learn to laugh, problems would be worked out so much quicker and more efficiently. As a person would loves to joke and kid around, I am constantly cracking quips about everything and everyone I can. Naturally, this means I have a habit of dancing on the line. However, I never attempt to intentionally hurt or upset anyone with what I say. This absolutely doesn’t mean that I have never done so. Sometimes certain people just do not agree with what you have to say. This can happen however at any possible circumstance. Nobody will ever agree with everybody. Therefore, even if you are simply stating your beliefs and not joking or attacking anyone, people could still be offended. The problem is that people are “offended” by the most ridiculous things. Also, it is true that most of the time people can not even give a reason as to why they are offended. If a person were to say one of the many black, Mexican, Jewish, etc. jokes which are out today, he would surely offend someone. However, could a person truly be offended simply because of the fact that he is black, Mexican, or Jewish? I do not think that you would have to be offended simply because you are one of those. Some people would feel obligated to show offense or resentment toward the joke and/or jokester. However, there are those on the other side who may still be black but love to laugh at black jokes. That is what should be the desired outcome. I do admit that there are jokes out there that can be slightly harsh, but the majority of those are so racist that they are not even funny. However even putting race aside, people need to learn how to laugh at themselves. Being able to joke about yourself is probably one of the most opening things you could possibly do. When I tell jokes, I look for something that is funny and will get a laugh and reaction. If I tell a joke about Mexicans, it does not mean I am a racist that hates all Mexicans. That is reading way too far into what people say. If I was Mexican, I would not be offended by that video. On the contrary, I am sure I would find it funny. Watching a video such as that and laughing says nothing of your racial standings, but only says that you like to be entertained and enjoy laughing. Also, I do not think something like that would spark any racial hatred towards Mexicans. It is that same argument that video games cause kids to turn toward violence. This is absolutely untrue. If a child does something violent after playing a video game, it is because he was already violent before the game. In the same manner, if a person watches that video and decides to go commit a hate crime towards Mexicans, it is because he was already racist. Something like that could never simply make someone change their beliefs and go do horrible things to people. On a whole, I think people just need to lighten up. Laughing is perfectly normally and extremely healthy to do. Learn to laugh, especially at yourself, and the world would be a much better place.

Anonymous said...

First, in response to “When do we cross over the line,” I feel that all races, not just the white race, base their lives and justifications on the belittling stereotypes that already exist. I do feel as if the white race is the ego-dominating race, believing that they are the superior, dominating, and overpowering race, and feel as if they can speak their minds regardless of whom it is hurting. How often do you see videos, songs, etc. making fun of whites? Honestly, slim to never. However, there are countless numbers of offensive materials out there criticizing African-Americans (blacks), Mexicans, etc. I think that when we come into contact with a different race, we automatically become flustered and try to monitor our every word out of fear that we will say something offensive. What is so hard about being ourselves? America is portrayed as the “freedom land,” but what is so free about coming here and facing the hardships of racism? This country is supposed to be a place to escape those incidents, and I honestly feel as if that label is very deceiving; America is one of the most stereotypical and incepting countries. What gives people the right to criticize our newly elected president, Barack Obama, who has already overcome so many obstacles to get to this point in his life? His race should mean absolutely nothing at all. He is striving to make a change for EVERYONE is this country, regardless of their race, and to finally help all citizens better themselves. I think this is a point where people have definitely cross the line.
“What’s in a name”—I’ve never realized all the background and history that comes with a name. In my personal opinion, I feel as if it was uncivil for the bakery worker to refuse to make a cake for the boy just because his name was “Adolph Hitler.” I understand that when we hear that name we automatically think of the man who caused the Holocaust, but it is obvious that this child is not that Adolph Hitler, and he should not be denied something as simple as a birthday cake. I do believe, however, that the family did not need to seek public recognition for sympathy in a matter this small. I feel as if they could have just dropped the “Hitler” and just wrote “Adolph” on the cake. I also think that American is one of the “boring” countries when it comes to names. What makes the name Tiffany so acceptable, but not a name such as “Enough?” I do find humor in the theories Zimbabwe holds in naming their children, but I also feel as if it is somewhat creative and allows each child to individually hold something lifelong, signifying what was unique about their birth.
Lastly, I just want to say that I feel as if marriage should not be restricted to only a man and a woman. Granted, I know that some states have passed laws allowing “Gay” marriage, but why not all states? Once again American is depicted as the “freedom land,” and once again we’ve cheated this image. A human being cannot help whom he or she falls in love with. Love is love, and it should have no restrictions, guidelines, etc!

Lacey Carney
Section #13

Anonymous said...

When Do We Cross Over the Line?
I agree that the word offensive is thrown around a little 2 much now a day. I think people can not really use the word offensive when they try to describe how something may affect an in tier group of people. I feel that the word offensive should be used to describe how something might make someone feel on a personal level. It can not be used on a large scale level because what is offensive to one person may not be offensive to another, or the stamen may offend someone in a completely different manner than it offended that person. A great example of this is when people use the word nigger. This word can be seen as offensive to some but not offensive to everyone. For example when black people call each other nigger in most instances its seen as ok not a big deal common phrase I use myself as a black man is “What’s up my nigga”. However when a white man use the word many black people get angry or upset. Sometimes through my own experiences even certain white people get offended when I use the word myself. They tell me that is a very offensive word and that I should not use it. However what if the word does not offend me how can people say it offense all black people if I myself a black man is not offended by it. I’m not saying the word is hurtful , but that it is wrong to try and generalize everyone by saying it is offensive to everyone. As far as the watermelon comment goes yes I have to say that was quite offensive to me . I feel that words are just words but it is the history that goes along with the use of that word n a particular culture. I think the photograph is offensive because of the stereotypes that are attached to the word when its used to describe black people. Many of the stereotypes that are attached to water melons and black people is that they are stupid monkeys who eat watermelon. I feel that there is a fine line between humor and just being all around racist. As far it goes for the Mexican star spangle banner I feel that if I was Mexican I would be offended my it. I have a Mexican friend well he is half Mexican and he use to get offended when people would make negative comments like that. I myself as black man understand when things get misconstrued and white American tries to blame u for things that are out of your hands. If I was a parent even after seeing this ignorant vieedo id let my child play wit a Mexican child .

Anonymous said...

I am a type of person where I can laugh at a joke that may target me or another person and let it go. I do not dwell on it because I believe the joke was purely made as a joke and not anything hurtful. Once the joke creates violence that was caused by a joke is when it crosses the line. People should know a stereotype is a stereotype and when a joke is made about a stereotype it should not be taken in offense.
I believe that image is not crossing over the line maybe because I did not know that watermelons were a symbol that black people were inferior. I thought it is just an image about the stereotype of a black person. And now that a black person resides in the white house for the first time in history there are going to be jokes made. Now if somehow (I know this is unrealistic) someone managed to cover the White House lawn with hundred of watermelons that would be crossing the line in my opinion because there is a physical factor about it. Not that an image cannot offend anyone I just believe this image would be less offensive than actual watermelons on a black person’s lawn. I am optimistic in saying that the majority of people who could be offended would not be offended because it is simply a stereotype. And people of any race, gender, ethnicity, occupation, or even hair color are going to have a stereotype. Hopefully they can be strong enough and laugh along but know they are better than there stereotype in the case that their stereotype is demeaning.
After listening to the Barack the Magic Negro and reading that a man sent that to his supporters and was trying to win a leadership position for the National Republican Committee I could not believe he did that. I do not see how that makes him look like a good person let alone a good leader. It does not make sense to try and get black supporters in that way especially when you do not know who will get offended by it. I also listened to the Star Spanglish Banner. I know it was probably made to create laughs but it definitely puts a negative image on Mexicans. Not all of them do not want to assimilate into the United States. I do not know many Mexicans therefore have not talked to them about this issue. But if I were a Mexican and watched this and did not agree with it I would be very angry because it would now give me an image that would not be true. This leads to violence which was stated in the blog. The violence was unnecessary and videos or images can create more tension between different racial or ethnic groups.

Anonymous said...

To quote the famous comedian Dave Chappelle, “If you don’t like chicken or watermelon there is something wrong with you.” Different types of people all across the country eat chicken and watermelon, how come they don’t get stereotyped. Why is it that black people take the brunt of that joke? Just because a certain type of culture eats a specific type of food, doesn’t mean that you can stereotype them. To be honest, I think the division in our foods is something that is very interesting. I tend to wonder why certain cultures or groups of people eat what they do. It is kind of fascinating to me why some people prefer spicy food, while other like raw food. However, the concept of stereotyping people because of the food they eat is ridiculous. People should not be hated or judged just on the basis of what types of food they eat. People see division in the food we eat. That type of judgment and classification of people helps add to the division in our country today. The picture of the watermelons in front of the White House seemed to go a bit too far. As for the songs about Barack Obama, I feel that the Republicans have crossed a line. It is one thing to make off-hand jokes with your friends about race and food, but it is another thing to create propaganda by stereotyping people – as the Republicans did with the racist songs about Obama. I would never want a person or a party to lead my country who is that closed-minded. It also surprises me how ignorant some people are on the topic of immigration. People come to America for a better life and when they get here, they are persecuted because they are immigrants. Every person except for Native Americans, in some way or another, is an immigrant. People have a hard time looking at immigration in a different perspective. If you were from a lawless country with no politics wouldn’t you want to leave too? It is easy for us to sit back and ridicule immigrants for coming in to this country illegally. However, people don’t seem to realize that if they were in the same position as some of these immigrants, they would do the same thing. People who are willing to risk their lives in order to come to America, deserve to be citizens. It seems that native-born Americans take living in the United States for granted. Immigrants also have the right to bring some of their culture with them. Just because you are an American doesn’t mean that you have to forget where you came from. America is the melting pot of the world, but most Americans don’t realize it. We should view the different types of food that people eat in different cultures as a point of uniqueness, not division.

Anonymous said...

I think someone said it well when she said that it’s hard to know what crosses the line into offensive when you aren’t surrounded by people of different races. I grew up in a rather mixed town, but I went to a Catholic suburban high school with only one black person. But when I was at work or hanging with my public school friends, I interacted with a lot more diverse people. In those situations, I definitely felt myself holding back at first, but I found it interesting that my one white friend was comfortable saying a lot of things I wouldn’t say – and her black friends didn’t care. I think it’s because they knew the kind place she was coming from when she spoke. I think that’s what really drives a lot of this controversy. When someone vying for a spot in the Republican National Committee propagates a video about President Obama that was clearly meant to deride, what place was he coming from? Good fun? Yeah right. Anyone in a public position has to pay special attention to the sensitivities of people, and he was acting out of line and indeed racist. White people have the privilege of not having any significant ways to offend them (Like we said in class, how many people get mad at the word cracker?).
As someone else said, people need to think of their own origins before they loosely say things that could be potentially hurtful. If your grandparents had been one of the many Europeans who came over who looked too ill from famine or poverty at Ellis Island, they would have been sent back. Many of us were lucky enough to be born in this country and didn’t have someone to decide whether we could live here or not. And by the way, we need to remember from history class that we basically stole Texas and other profitable states from Mexico and left them with the land they struggle on today. Yet we’re now not allowing Mexicans into our country to have a better life.
I’m not sure what the people were thinking who made the Star Spanglish Banner, but it showed a complete lack of sensitivity and really poor judgment. I can’t say I’ve talked to any Mexicans about how they feel about the video but I would be intrigued to hear their view. I don’t think I would appreciate a similar video made if I immigrated to another country. A lot of people put down immigrants as dumb, yet it seems to me that the people who make these videos and pictures (some of whom are trying to be in political positions?!) are not showing much intelligence or any sort of worldview. The United States has always been a conglomerations of nationalities, cultures, and languages. Who suddenly decided this nation was only meant for English-speaking conservatives? Probably English-speaking conservatives.

Anonymous said...

The songs posted on this blog entry are designed to entertain some and offend others. I do not think the writers infused the lyrics with hate, but rather released the songs knowing that some people would think they are funny. They also knew that it would stir up some emotions in people who did not find any humor in the songs. I am not sure if this holds true for these songs, but a lot of offensive material is released to draw attention. And that attention is used to sell a product. It is similar to a publicity stunt done by a celebrity who has a new movie coming out. The person’s escapades are heavily discussed and the public is more inclined to check out what this celebrity’s new product is offering.
In regards to Mexicans being offended by the song, I do not know how they feel about it but I have an idea of what they should feel. They should shrug it off as a joke. The blog mentions that people who deal with Mexicans on a daily basis might change their views of them upon hearing this song. This draws up two points in me: 1. I really cannot imagine any person who would listen to this 90 second poorly assembled, not very funny parody and become racist. 2. Anyone who uses the lyrics of this song to carry out a hate-fused crime already has racist inclinations. That being said, it was just plain stupid for Chip Saltsman to circulate the CD. It is likely that the material tapped into his sense of humor, but he has an image to uphold for both his own political career and for the Republican Party. What he did was just unprofessional.
Also, the whole idea of someone speaking out on “offensive” material is bullshit. As far as I am concerned, you can poke fun at everything or nothing; there is no middle ground. Sure a line-crossing joke may hit you deep but someone else may find it hilarious. This works both ways. At one point does someone become a hypocrite for saying that jokes about their way of life are not acceptable but they will turn around and poke fun or laugh at a joke about someone else? I will admit that I have a really crude sense of humor and frequently make jokes about sensitive material. On the other hand, if someone makes a fat joke, it makes me cringe because it hits close to me but it is not going to prompt me to start a campaign to stop fat jokes. In reality, I cannot think of a single joke that would be safe for everyone. Even the tamest, cleanest joke could remotely offend someone. At the end of the day, we just need to realize that jokes are simply that. People tell them to get responses, not change the views of the world.

Tony said...

Honestly after seeing those two videos, all I can do is shake my head and smile. Is that really the best that they could do? They could have at least used the N word over and over or something, or added a few lines about tacos and burritos in the Star Spangled Banner rendition. I’m just kidding. I am a person of African descent and I have experience enough blatant racism in my life to be able to laugh at the unnecessary hate and comical ignorance of racists in this country. Honestly, what are they going to do now? There is a black president and there is nothing that they can do about it. I agree with Kaylee, the Republicans have crossed the line and I really wonder what was going through their heads. This is not the way to win the minority vote at all. They are so stupid. Why can’t they all just hide their fascist points of view from the public like everyone else. That’s the only way to win the support of African Americans, everybody knows that! (I hope you all understand that I’m being sarcastic) This video was not a good look for them at all. I miss the golden era when white supremacist were actually creative when it came to attacking people of color. But I am not going to deny it, the video and the picture are pretty wrong. I am not particular “offended” to much because they really have no substance at all. They couldn't even attack his political points of view or his accomplishments; they had to resort to something that was completely irrelevant to his evaluation as a good president. Well, this is very admirable; it does nothing but further prove that racists in this country should be pitied. The video attacking Mexican immigrants further proves this. I feel sorry for people of Mexican descent who were offended by this because I acknowledge that many people are not as used to looking past racism as I am. I really just want to ask a KKK member if they know that immigrants assimilate into American culture now a lot better than their great grandparents did. Or even ask them what they think about the fact that they are immigrants themselves and that Native Americans are the only REAL Americans. I suspect that I would be attacked on the spot for exposing their stupidity and forcing them to realize that the way that they think is completely ridiculous. I’m not stupid enough to actually do this, unless that individual is strapped down or hand-cuffed and I’m in a safe environment with a cop around or something. I probably will not get an opportunity like this so, oh well. Ignorance is bliss right?

Anonymous said...

I agreed with some of Sam’s thinking in the blog entitled, “When do We Cross Over the Line?” I agree that many people can be overly sensitive to other people’s words, especially when those words were not meant maliciously. Whether or not the picture described in Sam’s blog was meant to be malicious or meant to give everyone a good chuckle is not up to be to decide and is beside the point. However, I have noticed that many people get so offended by simple generalizations such as black people liking watermelon. I personally was unaware of this idea but I have experienced other overreactions to innocent comments. For example, I, as a young women majoring in elementary education, feel that many women are overly sensitive to stereotypes such as “elementary ed is all girls.” True, it is not ALL girls, but there is no reason to have a fit over it. Take a look around an elementary ed classroom- it will take you a while to find a male. It isn’t being stereotypical, it’s stating a fact. And also for that matter, many young women our age get overly sensitive the word “girl.” They tend to think it is degrading and inappropriate for “women” our age. I say, who cares. We all need to calm down and stop ruffling our feathers at everyone seemingly stereotypical comment that comes our way. Even if the person makes the comment with a malicious spirit, getting angry and arguing about it will give that person the response they were seeking. It may be because my mother drilled it into my head my whole life, but maybe laughing it off or ignoring it really could work. If they meant it maliciously, it will drive them crazy. If they didn’t have any malicious intent, then no reaction is necessary. On another note, I found the song about Obama to be so lame it wasn’t worth a reaction from neither Obama nor me. However, for the sake of argument, I found the lyrics of the song to be unoriginal and childish. There was no cleverness to be found throughout the entire song. In response to the part about the “Star Spanglish Banner” I was appalled. I spent two weeks in Denver, El Paso, and Juarez working with Mexican immigrants and hopefuls. I have a huge piece of my heart reserved for these people and I know very well that it is not true that they want American to be theirs. They want to join in on the American dream just as our ancestors did. Who are we to say that these people are malicious in the attempt to enter the States? Unless you are 100% Native American, you have no room to say a word about who can and cannot enter this country. There are a few bad apples in every bunch, no matter what bunch that is, and it is not okay to accuse the whole bunch of being ill willed.

Anonymous said...

I am sure that Mexicans feel offended by the video. I have not talked with Mexicans about the issue, but I am sure that most of them would say they are discriminated against continually because of the overall unpopular issue of migration to the United States. Why is it that much of America sees a Mexican and immediately thinks that he or she is an illegal immigrant?

I would say that much of our stereotypes, and generalizations are founded in human prejudice and perpetuated by the American media. Generalizations and stereotypes take a hint of truth (many Mexicans migrate illegally to the United States) and interpose that on a massive population of that people group (all Mexicans are illegal immigrants to the United States). These stereotypes and generalizations continue when individuals and groups do not see the situation contrarily to the way it is portrayed within the specific generalization. When we meet someone who causes us to think otherwise, it challenges us to reevaluate and pick apart that stereotype. These stereotypes are detrimental to acting against racism because many individuals are not in a diverse environment that forces them to reevaluate their views. It is much easier to stay in a similar environment to what you have normalized. Thus people can go for a very long time without ever reevaluating the way they perceive a person or people group.

As illustrated with the point of the watermelon garden-outside-of-the-white-house cartoon, there is NOT a fine line between satirical political humor and personal prejudice. After a political video such as “Barack the Magic Negro” came out, the conservative base that released the video quickly attempted to make the case that their video was not intended to offend the black population in America or attack Barack Obama. Their argument proves their general disconnect with the black population. I don’t know who was thinking that a video like this would possibly win supporters from Obama’s camp. At the same time, in a day and age of political incorrectness in the media and wide arrays of political humor, I see why the conservative base thought their movie just might be effective.

This event shows the great paradox of our American media and being “politically correct”. Our nation enjoys laughing about generalizations and stereotypes of different cultures and races that make up this extremely diverse nation, and yet we also condemn these very same generalizations and stereotypes as racist, and causing racism. It’s ok for a comedian like Russell Peters to blast other nations and cultures because he’s doing it for the sake of entertainment, but any type of figure in another business has no right to crack a joke about these things will be condemned as narrow-minded, racist and full of bigotry.

We shy away from the problem of personal indifference to real world problems of racism by joking about them in the media.

Anonymous said...

I respectfully disagree with Professor Richards’ opening assertion that the line between being clever and being offensive is “ever shifting” and “often unrecognizable.” To me, the line could not be more concrete or unmistakable. Why? We are very familiar with this line because the line between clever and offensive is the very same line between right and wrong, good taste and bad taste, pure intentions and evil intentions, humorous and hurtful. We have been tip-toeing around this line for the longest time. We – if not all of us, then most of us, I hope – have tried very hard to stay on the right side of the line in order to avoid hurting others and damaging our own reputations, possibly to the point where they cannot be fixed. Sure, some have crossed the line, having done so in a unique, innovative, or satirical manner. These people are often called visionaries or pioneers, or even comic geniuses because they recognize the absurdity of what they are saying. When Professor Richards makes sweeping generalizations about race (such as white people cannot dance or black people are lazy), he is crossing the line. Yet, his intentions are not to harm, rather they are to educate and enlighten while, at the same time, attacking stereotypes and prejudices. On the opposite end of the spectrum, others have crossed the line with cruel and nefarious intentions in order to attack a person, and, in turn, a group of people. These people are given an array of titles ranging from simply ignorant to downright offensive to flat-out racist. The problem is not the line; we all know where the line is located. We are just as cognizant of the line when we choose to tell an offensive joke as we are when we choose to break the law. The problem is the line is designed for rational and mature people, who have sophisticated or, at the very least, developed senses of humor; however, I have just been informed that not everyone is rational or mature … and therein lays the problem.

While I do not agree that the line is shifting or unrecognizable, I do agree that it can get blurry from time to time. What blurs the line is context. Is a black person offended when a white person says that black people love watermelon and fried chicken? What if that white person is comedian Jeffrey Ross? Is a Mexican offended when a black person says that all Mexicans like hot peppers and tacos? What if that black person is Chris Rock? No matter who says something offensive, it is offensive. Yet, we are more likely to tolerate offensive material from some sources than others. Many people would be outraged if CNN or ESPN poked fun at racial stereotypes, but those same people would probably be laughing when the same stereotypes were mentioned during an episode of Family Guy. Offensive material is offensive, but context determines if we are truly offended.

Anonymous said...

First of all, I do find these two songs to be crossing the line. Everybody has this stereotype of every race and culture. I do believe that stereotypes stem from the truth, however, generalizing those stereotypes to everyone in that race or culture is wrong. Today, in the U.S., there are thousands and thousands of immigrants. Some of these are second and third generation immigrants. From being in America for many years, I feel as if their “old” ways (more like their traditions) wear off and become Americanized. This happens because when you’re an immigrant in this country, you are looked down upon, you are inferior. Those immigrants don’t want to be portrayed like that so they take on “American traditions” and try to blend in. My point is that many immigrants and people of different racial and ethnic backgrounds don’t fit the stereotypes that people have of them today.

So what if African Americans like watermelon. I like watermelon, so does Kaylee (the first responder of this blog), and so do many more Whites, Africans, and Asians. Okay, so I understand the stereotype that they look like apes while they eat watermelons, but don’t we all? Everyone I know eats watermelon the same way. And as far as the Evolution Theory goes, didn’t we all start off as apes and evolved into the human species? So why do only African Americans get this stereotype of looking “ape-like” while they eat watermelons? Is it because their skin color is black and is more similar to that of an ape? Well, to me, that itself is wrong.

I think because of all these stereotypes, people are misjudging Obama. I just can’t seem to help but to think why does race matter. Who cares if he’s black, white, brown, orange, or purple? He is our President! Our leader! So making all these jokes about his race is complete nonsense. I understand that there will always be jokes made about well-known people. Bush had political comics in the paper every day. But so far, the only jokes cracked on Obama are race jokes, and I just don’t get it. If we as Americans have come to terms with race and no one is racist, why are these jokes getting printed?

And also, I feel bad for the Mexican immigrants. Well, to be honest, the illegal immigrants I don’t for several reasons that don’t have anything to do with my point from this blog. Anyway, in my eyes, Mexican immigrants are the most inferior immigrants in this country. They are looked down upon to the max. People see them as dirty, creepy, sly, and every other negative adjective. Americans in general just don’t like them. I don’t really understand why. Mexicans come to the U.S. to get jobs. Jobs that most Americans don’t want to do. Without them, there will be trash piled high to the sky because not many Americans want to drive around on a huge, smelly truck in the morning collecting everyone’s trash. Without them, the jobs we don’t want to do won’t get done and our country will look bad. I’m not saying all Mexican immigrants are great, but they pick up where we slack. If you ask me, Americans are looking a little lazy when compared to some of the immigrants in this country.

So don’t put down immigrants. Don’t judge them by the stereotypes that are engrained in your mind. In today’s world you need to have an open mind. If not, just give it a few years and we’ll be back to where we started where the whole country is segregated.

Anonymous said...

I’ve heard many discussions regarding these photos over the past week, some within the context of this course, others outside of it. I find that people’s consideration of such matters are inevitably clouded by a contrived feeling for political correctness, and a deplorable confusion between seeing or recognizing race and racial issues, and being “racist.” As Sam pointed out, some generalizations actually ring true, especially in the realm of cuisine. For example, Koreans do like kimchi. If that generalization was offensive, why would the Korean restaurant on North Atherton, owned and run by Koreans, bear that name? The existence of a racial or ethnic generality is not by nature offensive! It would be foolish to assume so, but I find that this is exactly how most people interpret these issues! The feeling is that ‘you just can’t say that stuff, or you just can’t talk about it,’ and it’s not only white people who feel this way. I’m Asian, and if we’d just elected an Asian-American to the white house, and those watermelons were replaced with rice, I’d probably laugh my ass off. It would be funny on account of its stupidity and outright cheesiness.

But Sam brings up a good point in the particular case of watermelons. Rice eating has not been used as a flag for Asian inferiority, as watermelons have for blacks. I really wouldn’t be surprised if the creator of this image was absolutely clueless about that. As some have pointed out, these fine lines are drawn in different places by different people. There are some of any color who’d find such an image hilarious, even if they knew of the degrading history of the stereotype. They’d probably feel that such degradation is past, and that we’re moving beyond it. On the other end of the spectrum, there are those who’d get red in the face just hearing about it, totally ignorant of past usage and intentions. Such people feel that ethnic differences are to be avoided; in a sort of denial of reality they pluck out their own eyes to make them blind to the absolute beauty that global human diversity can represent. These people call anybody who makes a racial or ethnic observation a racist. I’ve met many such people, of all shapes and colors.

A previous blogger posted the Webster’s definition, which asserts that on offensive action is an attack, and has been designed as such. Of course, these are all just words, as Sam would certainly say, vocab that is used loosely in reality. People cling to dictionary definitions for the sake of ease and to avoid the complexity that arises from genuine linguistic study. For instance, does a word really mean what the dictionary claims if nobody really uses it that way? Anyways, I digress. What I was getting at is that intentions are, perhaps, the most important layer of meaning here. I feel that the lines most of us are talking about and drawing here, are “lines of appearance” or lines of “assumption,” that are drawn by tracing the dominant perspective on political correctness. We assume that the intention behind such an image had to be an offensive attack directed at not only The Right Honorable Mr. President himself, but all “African-Americans.”

Most of the people I’ve heard talking about the image outside of class refer to African-Americans while doing so, fearing the word black and avoiding it at all costs, and they forget that the President is not African-American. His wife is, but they wouldn’t know the difference. So the image itself is a misnomer with regards to Obama himself. He probably likes watermelons, because they’re super yummy and most people enjoy them, but he’s not descended from slaves and ex-slaves upon whom that stereotype was cast with an offensive intention.

But I digress again. By the Webster’s definition, we might say that something has to be an attack to be offensive, a deliberate, intentional attack. Consider that definition when using the word, and think about how it applies to your interpretation of these sorts of media.

As for myself, I can’t assume that any of these were designed for that purpose. Perhaps they were, I don’t really know. The “Barack the Magic Negro” clip, as Sam described, is a pathetic attempt by a Republican to gain party support. If for no other reason, it’s a stupid political move to draw more scrutiny to yourself and the party by posting such a video. Republicans are already painted as white supremacists, so this was an undeniably bad move. But, it was not intended to be an attack, it was intended to be funny. The “Spanglish Banner” was made by those who truly believe that Latino immigrants are a danger to this country, and expect many like them to commiserate upon watching this video. You might also call it a cry for awareness to the eventuality of Hispanic cultural supremacy in this country, another belief of theirs. I think they’re mislead. Unlike some, I don’t think the presence of other linguistic groups in this country is an affront on everything we hold dear as Americans. Rather, I think it’s testament to the very fabric of our nation as a coming together of diverse peoples. Of course, there are those that despise that, but gosh darnit they’re a little late. Their family came over here as immigrants at some point. If that’s not true, then they themselves are immigrants, which would be even funnier. This is a country of immigrants. Our population is made up of immigrants. That’s right. I’ll say it again. We are a nation of immigrants. And we’re babies, as our country’s only a couple hundred years old. So, you wanna know who’s really American? The natives who have been here for thousands of years since the original peopling of the Americas. This is their land. Or it was, that is, before we immigrants eradicated them to make room for more immigrants.

As for recent immigrants, those who are still flocking here, like “Mexicans” and Asians, they are indeed developing a presence here, one that can be felt in many areas. But, in my opinion, it’s a deserving presence. Take Asians as a fine example. Most of the Asians we see around campus, especially the Indians (South Asians) and Chinese (East Asians), are here to continue their higher education. An overwhelming amount of them study mathematics and the “hard sciences.” Why? Are they just naturally smarter? What right have they to come here with their accents and broken English and take American academic positions? Well, they have every right that actually matters, and by that I mean they are qualified (and in many cases overqualified) for those positions. Most of the students of American origin, are NOT so qualified for those positions. Math and science education is severely atrophied in this country. As a result, American kids are uninterested in and unprepared for a life in those fields. So they major in English or Inart or something like that. Europe and Asia are pummeling us scientifically these days, especially considering the past 8-years under a scientifically retarded administration. The fact is, these immigrants deserve “your” position. The position you didn’t even want or weren’t qualified for in the first place. Work harder, because they most certainly will.

Anonymous said...

There is no set point at which we can say we cross over the line of racial jokes and stereotypes. This is because that line’s boundary is set at a different level for every individual person. A person’s experiences throughout life, tragedies they may have endured, or where they came from are just a few of the factors that set the level of tolerance they have in regards to this matter. Initially, when I saw the picture of the white house with the watermelons outside, I thought it was slightly humorous. On the other hand, the “Barack the Magic Negro” video and the “Star Spanglish Banner” video really bothered me to the point that I stopped both videos before they ended. The way I reacted to this picture and these videos comes from my personal beliefs and experiences.
When I was about fifteen years old I worked at a flower shop that sold fresh watermelons in the summer. If I had to guess, I would say about four out of five watermelons were bought by black people. This is what prompted my amusement of the photo. After reading that black people are associated not only with the watermelons but also animalistic consumption of them, I certainly found the photo more offensive. I did not laugh at the photo because it made me think of black people as wild animals—I don’t know that I have ever really even paid attention to a black person’s watermelon-eating skills, I laughed because I know that black people like watermelons for some reason, and because it would be pretty funny to me if they were growing out in the front yard of the white house for the Obamas.
The “Barack the Magic Negro” video however bothered me extensively. First of all, I am very patriotic and have great respect for whoever my president is, whether I agree with him on every topic of controversy or not. Also, I am a republican and have witnessed the way democrats throw fits when a republican is voted into the presidency, therefore it really embarrassed me to see that this was the level republicans were stooping to when the tables were turned. This is what I mean by saying that “the line” is different for everyone. A black person would most likely say that this video crossed the line because of the racism in it. I also have a problem with racism, but the thing that really pushed this video over the edge for me was the fact that it was being advocated by an influential republican party member throwing a temper tantrum, when he should have been supporting his president rather than dwelling on the fact that his candidate has lost.
The “Star Spanglish Banner” video bothered me for similar reasons. The video showed American flags hung upside down and ripped and tattered. I know that a Spanish person did not make this video, which makes me wonder what self-respecting American would? Watching this does not make me want to distance myself from Spanish people, instead it embarrasses me yet again to think that there are people in our country who still cannot see the United States for the diverse masterpiece it really is.

Anonymous said...

I do not think it is right for Mexicans to sort of come to America and feel like they are taking over this place. This is America not Amexico, and I believe that they should abide by the current traditions that have been established in America for years. I do not have problem with Mexicans, and I also believe they have just as much of a right to be here as Americans do, and there should be no discrimination on that basis, but as long as they are in America they should be expected to conform to the methods of America, such as speaking English. In my opinion, Mexicans have chosen to migrate to America. They were not forced to come here, it was by their own doings, and with this said if they want to be stationed and live here they also must be willing to act like American. They need to not turn America into a Mexico part does.
I am actually not sure how exactly Mexicans feel about this, but I do believe they know what their trying to do, and that is take over America. To conquer all of America is their plan, and because they are so numerous in population and multiply at an increasing rate, it will be of no problem for them to take over America. I have not spoken to any Mexicans about this but from my research I am under the impression that Mexicans come here for better opportunities. I must say, that Mexican’s do help our society they take the jobs that no one wants to do such construction, and lawn work and they do a pretty good job at it. In addition, Mexican’s do not mind being paid low wages where as Americans do mind and most likely would decline jobs that provide such low wages. I do not know how sentiments positively and negatively affect their lives.
I am human, so of course I have my biases and for someone to say they do not have biases would be completely absurd. At the same time, I do not judge people based on the general group that they belong to. I give them a chance to show me themselves and they go from there. In this particular citation with Mexicans I would not mind if a Mexican were my co-worker, neighbor, roommate, or playmate because you cannot categorize them all in one way. Each individual will act differently and each individual will have different motives for migrating here for instance; one may come here on the basis of finding more job opportunities to provide and fight for a brighter future for their families, and one might come here out of greed and with the intentions of trying to take over.

Anonymous said...

I have noticed that a lot of times, people are very naïve about the concept of “offence”. Sometimes someone will take it way to far, even if it started out as just joking and messing around after which someone might be very hurt at the words that were tossed up in the air. At the same time this happens to everyone at some point. Everyone will just be joking around and take something too far. However, there are people who will take it way over the line sometimes. What makes this kind of funny is that some people that tend to do this more frequently think that they can just use the term “no offence man” before they say something outrageous that clearly should not be said, at least in the presence of some company (ie. The person, people, or group to which it entails). They think that by saying this, they are void from any ramifications that might come upon them, or more importantly the entity who they would have offended. If someone gets really truly offended, it is obviously easy to tell and this could even spark a significant argument or feud between people or groups. I have also seen people say something where another person will get offended and they will then proceed to say “no offense” after they realize that this should not have been said. They say it like this statement is the be all, end all and should instantly retract any negative feelings toward what was said. This is similar to the story about the leaders who spread the song about Obama around. Sure, politics can get dirty, but at the same time I bet now that guy wishes that he hadn’t done that since it had been leaked and clearly now everyone knows he is a supporter of this song that is clearly meant to inspire offensive thoughts toward Obama. If the term “no offense” was the magic phrase that let you take anything back and everyone would just look the other way, I bet this guy would have already made a public speech to Obama starting with the words “Hey I didn’t mean any offense by this act” and expect it all to go away. Unfortunately for him though, this is not the case at all and now he has to live with the fact that people know he avidly supports this song and everything it says.

Anonymous said...

There is definitely a fine line between being racist and just funny. To me, being racist is when you allow cultural and ethnic stereotypes to affect the way you are going to treat people. Sam Richards brought up the case where some white kids beat up a Hispanic kid; the only reason they had was because he happened to be Hispanic. Without being overly obvious, that is racism right there. As for making “racist” jokes, you never know who you are going to offend until you do it. I happen to think “racist” jokes are funny- you’re playing on stereotypes that are generally true. You can’t go around and ask everyone before you make the joke if it’s okay- that takes all the fun out of it. It’s very rare to meet people who can make a racist joke that is clever and funny at the same time. From what I’ve seen in State College, all the jokes that deal with race and culture are just ignorant- there is no effort being made.
As for the jokes that are being aimed towards Barack Obama, I think some of them are funny and some are distasteful. But it is also unfair to say that no one cracked jokes on other public figures before- Bush Jr. and Clinton were made fun of plenty. A lot of people I knew felt that there was no longer some out of touch white man running things in a country- we finally had someone that we can relate to: an ethnic guy who rose up to the top. There were also a lot of racist pokes taken towards John McCain and we won’t even touch on Sarah Palin. I also think that the media has been very biased towards Obama; Obama is an untouchable guy. One isn’t allowed to badmouth the all knowing Obama because that would make you a racist. There wouldn’t be as much crying about racism if the same jokes were applied to some white guy who would be in office.

Anonymous said...

In reference to the article entitled “When do we cross over the line?” I would like to say that I did find many problems with certain people’s view on Barack and the new state of our country. First off, I think it is really unfortunate that many people don’t like Barack and criticize him for not being a “true negro”. I am sure that many, maybe less fortunate African American’s feel that Barack is not black enough and that maybe he won’t be able to help them enough. Really it’s just upsetting because you know that no matter who gets into office not everyone is going to be pleased. As much as many people feel that this is a great time of change and improvement from our last president, there will always be those people who want to ruin it and think that what has happened is no big deal. Many people don’t really see how this represents breaking many racial barriers and it shows an acceptance of difference and shift in power.
The whole watermelon reference is one that I have never heard of before but I could see how it would be offensive. I don’t really think that it is very funny if watermelons symbolize Barack being lost in the presence of them. I think that the criticism so soon after he was inaugurated in is a little unfair. He hasn’t even had much time to show the country the steps he is making. I am not African American myself but I could see how it would be hurtful because many people are serious when they think that Barack is unqualified or won’t do a good job as president. I would be frustrated with that picture as well. At least when people made fun of president Bush it was for more valid reasons like the mistakes he made while in office, not his background. I don’t remember seeing people really criticize him for being southern or anything like that. It seems like people don’t want to get off the race issue with Barack. I do think it is unfair but at the same time he very much used that to his advantage and it helped him win the election.
The negro song I did not really take seriously. I didn’t really find humor in it and I pushed it out of my mind because I feel like too much time went into something that was really unnecessary. Then there was the video about Mexican Americans. This, while not really a surprising piece of material, to me was also pretty harsh. I grew up working in a restaurant with many illegal immigrants and yes at times it was frustrating to know that they were being paid under the table more than me. I feel bad that the state of their country is not in the best of shape and many take serious risks by illegally sneaking into the country. I think I understand both points of view. By knowing some of them when I was younger I was able to get a little incite as to how hard they work, but at the same time I do think people should respect our laws. It is a very difficult subject. The video was a big statement and I believe that people have the right to feel that way. No one was being attacked personally so maybe that’s why I feel as though it wasn’t as mean spirited as the Barack video. I would have to further assess my feelings on illegal immigration to come up with a conclusion about where I stand. Overall I just think that all of these three examples are just kind of sad. It’s sad to see that anyone would take time out of their day to make such things.

Unknown said...

I don’t really know to respond to this post. I mean I thought it was very interesting how we define and what is offending. I think more than once I personally have said that I was offended by something. By thinking back I realize that I said it because was supposed to feel offended. I honestly thought the whole watermelon thing at the white house was funny. But maybe its because I don’t understand what its like to be African American. But something I was offended by in this post was the attack on the republican party as a whole. Yea that song and I’m sure all the rest of them are terrible and make me feel ashamed to be affiliated with the party. But I feel like that is sooo over generalizing for the republican party, Just as you shouldn’t generalize that all black people like watermelon you shouldn’t generalize that all republicans are in favor of bashing Obama and attacking him.
On the whole issue about Mexicans, I’m not entirely sure how they feel. I can imagine that often times they feel discriminated against because of all the immigrants in this country they had the most easy means of entering this country and many people are resentful of that. I have never spoken with a Mexican about this issue and now I feel like I would like to just to see their stance on everything. I would think and hope that most of them would pledge allegiance to this country because otherwise why would they have come here? If I really believed what this song was portraying I would be very angry. I would feel like that these people were using my country and my tax money for their own benefit. But I’m not that ignorant and I don’t think a majority of Mexicans feel that way about the United States. But I think that this video caused that violence that occurred in NYC. Of course videos like this are produced by people like those, who beat up the Mexican. It really saddens me that those sorts of things still occur. In other countries people are prosecuted because of their religion or ideals that they spoke out about. People from those places escape to this country to experience freedom and avoid prosecution and then things like the NYC incident occur and I feel like we are being counter productive. The U.S. is supposed to be about freedom and liberty yet people of being beat up on the street just because they appear to be an immigrant. I t just goes to show even though electing a black president was a big step in the strive for equality of races we still have a long way to go.

Anonymous said...

I feel that as individuals we can’t always think about the things we say. Depending on
the situation, many people feel that it’s fine to express their opinion because his/her
friends are doing the same thing. I do admit that I have crossed the line when I say racial
jokes with my friends. For instance, I was making fun of one my friends who was Irish
by stating he was a stupid drunk and he should grow potatoes. However, since he knew I
was Iranian, he went on to tell me that I was a terrorist and that I high jacked airplanes. It
seems that as we are overwhelmed by humor we never get to understand what we clearly
say. Instead, we go with the flow and think that there are no consequences for how we
feel about certain people. After looking at the picture of the watermelon field in the
White House, I can’t help but think how President Obama is feeling. Now to be honest I
know some people would think that the picture was funny but to what purpose do we
express our laughter? It seems that other ethnic groups not even African-Americans
would be appalled by this. Even though certain people can be frustrated, others can state
this is a country where our freedom of speech cannot be hindered. That may be true, but
we also have to understand that respect is more important around us. When someone
feels that people have crossed the line, it is clearly a personal opinion because we all
don’t think the same. We can understand how the media also play a role in this with
shows such as South Park. Over the winter break, I watched Gran Torino in which Clint
Eastwood used racial slurs towards Koreans that I have never heard before. I feel that
people will cross the line more often now because of what the media is displaying. What
I don’t understand is how an individual can make racial jokes on a video about someone
or an ethnic group. For Chip Saltsman, it should be an embarrassment that he is
supporting this video of President Obama, who is doing everything he can to keep this
country in balance. As I began watching the Mexican Star Spangled Banner commercial,
I thought that it depicted Mexicans as poor who are looking for opportunity here in the
United States. Who are we to tell the reason why Mexican immigrants come to the US. I
have friends who are of Hispanic heritage and they say that they are always being joked
around as land mowers. If people do continue to cross the line, is there ever a dead end to
it? We have to respect everyone regardless of their race and personally keep our
comments to ourselves.

Anonymous said...

I am a pretty sarcastic person. I tend to not take offense to many things unless they are intentionally done to harm or hurt others that are close to me. If I have no personal ties to an issue that is being discussed I tend to turn away from rude remarks simply so that I do not get a tainted view of the issue at hand. I do get offended when ignorant people make remarks about others. Sarcasm is one thing, but ignorant remarks are a different thing. When remarks are made directly to hurt a person or group of people that bothers me, especially after the remark is made then the person, who is clearly lying, says, ‘oh no, I was just kidding, it was a joke, can’t you take a joke.’ Sarcasm about different races and ethnicities can be tolerated; pure cold-blooded racism should not be tolerated by anyone.
The video ‘Barack the Magic Negro’ was very surprising to me. I expected it to be a white middle-aged man making rude comments about Barack Obama. Instead it seemed to be a middle-aged ‘real’ black man, as he put it. This surprised me because I assumed most black people were quite happy with the nomination and election of President Obama. I was shocked to hear the narrator of the video say that Barack was ‘black but not authentically’. Who is to say who is an authentic black person? Technically Barack is not African American but he does have African roots, but his roots came to the United States voluntarily, unlike African Americans ancestors. The video’s narrator seems as though Barack was not black enough for him. Personally, I think that if Barack was technically an African American he may not have gotten as many votes as he did. I remember hearing the news media analyze Barack’s heritage and that he is half white, which may have given some voters more of an incentive to vote for him.
In regards to the second video entitled, ‘Star Spanglish Banner’ I thought it was a clever remake. I do no think this video reflects the feelings of all Mexicans or Mexican Americans, just as though the ‘Barack the Magic Nero’ video did not reflect the feelings of all black Americans. In another class I am taking, Inequality in America, we spoke about the issue of having people from different countries sing the national anthem in their native language. In reality the United States does no have an official language so I feel like if people wanted to sing the anthem in their native language they should be able to. This is American the land of the free, the worlds melting pot. Everyone should feel comfortable speaking in their native tongue without fear of being judged as a foreigner because in reality the first immigrants to the America were foreigners in their time.

Anonymous said...

As a native-born American, I found both of these videos completely offensive. I don’t share the views expressed by either creators of these videos. From my personal research as a journalist, people I expected to be racists and unsupportive of Obama did not think that Obama was dumb, nor did they claim to have negative feelings of his policies because he is black. This led me to conclude that America (except the media) was colorblind to Obama. Putting the picture of watermelons in the White House does imply that Obama is incompetent and stupid.

However, I can also see how this image was meant to be a one-time laugh and did not mean to cause any harm. Racial stereotypes are commonly known, and I think using them in a humorous way every now and then doesn’t do any damage. At the same time, I can see how reinforcing these stereotypes only allows them to persist in our current culture. If we never let them die, they never will die and will be alive for every successive generation.

“Barack the Magic Negro” is not a nice video. I can understand why Rush Limbaugh would air it on his show and create a buzz about it, but the politician was out of line. Rush Limbaugh is a radio personality. He wants feedback about his programming; his material is controversial. Chip Saltsman is obviously allowed to have and to express his opinions, but circulating this video is not a mean to convey his idea. Maybe you could argue this video shows his light, humorous side. He probably thought his fellow politicians would get a laugh. But this video belittles the president, someone they should have respect for. This video does not do anything to recognize Saltsman’s accomplishments, so he should use it to gain support.

“Star Spanglish Banner” is a video that is more applicable to me. Growing up in Texas, a state that has a higher growing percentage of Hispanics than whites, I did feel that America was overrun with immigrants. This wasn’t so much a bad feeling, but when I realized that more and more billboards, television channels, radio channels, etc. were Spanish, I was bothered. (There are more Spanish radio channels in Dallas, Texas, than English ones.) I do still believe that America is a melting pot and should let immigrants in, but it is hard to be accepting and understanding when you know that many of these people are “undocumented workers.” I don’t assume that all Mexicans are coming to America illegally, nor have I ever though they were taking over the world. But it is frustrating when you know these people send their children to public American schools for free, don’t pay taxes, and use their money to try to get their family into America who will continue the problem.

Anonymous said...

America is supposed to be a country that you have all your freedoms, what does it matter if people are Spanish, Arab or Polish. People are people and anyone would feel hurt if they saw these ads; if they were of the Spanish or African descent. Many of the stereotypes and jokes that are still said today were created in the “olden” days when times were different. They were created when racism was the biggest fight of our country trying to make segregation illegal. I believe that to still be saying these offensive statements is yes hurtful, but old. It’s like when a boyfriend and girlfriend get in the same fight over and over. Arguing about the same thing just gets old its like, “Get a new argument!” I feel like people who are still racist are behind in the times, now-a-days people are a lot more excepting. I personal do not get very offended but I do agree that there is definitely a fine line between being funny and being just down-right mean. I feel like if someone says a comment between a friend and another friend and the friend is not offended it’s ok if it stays between them, but when it is announced to the world and said to be hurtful it’s wrong. I do believe that whether or not the comment is offensive depends on who is saying the comment. For example a black person can say “What’s up nigga” for example to another black person but if a white person says it, it can be taken offensively and just the same for calling a white person a cracker. It all depends on the source. I believe that for every race there is a different line that is drawn, but no matter where that line is drawn it shouldn’t be crossed. Now-a-days everyone picks on anyone and anything they can think of. I heard or read somewhere how some people were upset how Michelle Obama decided to wear a Cuban made and Asian made dress, instead of an African or African American made dress. They thought that she should be representing African Americans in every way. Now to me it’s just a dress, what does it matter who made it, but it just shows how now-a-days people are a lot more judgmental and not just with racial issues. People who are in the news are constantly picked apart or made fun of, and that can easily be taken as offensive to that person. I believe people make fun of every type of race, there were tons of songs and videos making fun of Bush when he was President. Yes, there may be more offensive videos or songs out there making fun of African Americans or Mexicans, but no matter who they may be making fun of some things shouldn’t be said. If people have jokes that they think may just be funny or believe it can be taken offensively, then they should just keep it to themselves.

Anonymous said...

To start with what is freshest on my mind the “Star Spanglish Banner” does not make me feel any differently about Mexican neighbors, co-workers, roommates or playmate for any future child I may have. I know that watching one 1 minute and 30 second clip of some silly song is not going to have a major impact on my view of Mexicans or immigration. I don’t want to speak for anyone else, but I think that anyone who’s views are altered by such a simple and silly cartoon is pretty ignorant. I’m sure it doesn’t feel great for a Mexican to watch that video, but that’s the way the world is. Everyone is made uncomfortable or could potentially feel uncomfortable or offended by something they encounter almost everyday. You can’t take everything to heart. Nor can you trust everything you see or hear and immediately accept it as the truth or factual information.

When it comes to “Barack the Magic Negro” I feel quite similar. I mean a stupid little tune? Can you really be that offended? I wouldn’t pass it along, not because I found it morally wrong or super offensive but because it was boring and uninteresting. After the ridicule and mockery that was made of Pres. Bush throughout much of the past decade I can’t feel too badly that Obama has his critics. Maybe it wasn’t the best political choice for Chip Saltsman to pass it along, but the fact that he did doesn’t make him racist.

Lastly, the picture. It doesn’t really provoke a chuckle for me but it certainly doesn’t strike me as especially offensive. Even the people who have created this photo could easily be Obama supporters and I know some black people who would laugh at this picture. It’s just not that big of a deal. It would be a little freaky if no one directed pieces of humor toward Barack Obama. We are Americans, we don’t all agree, we don’t all love our president or fully support him. We are free to create such humor. I find it particularly funny but I don’t think it is mean-spirited either. Do we want to live in a society where everyone just accepts the president with no opposition? These types of harmless acts are part of what makes our country special. The creator of that photo does not have to fear for their lives or fear the threat of imprisonment.

Anonymous said...

I think that there is a thin line between joking and crossing the line, and sometime it can be extremely offensive to certain groups of people. Personally I hate when people stereotype me because I feel that I am an individual who deserves to be just that rather than preconceived because of my race, gender, or my appearance in general. I think that stereotyping can sometimes turn into judging, in a sense that you are judging the way someone will be based on their appearance and common stereotypes. Most people do not want to be stereotyped into a particular group just because, so that is why people become offended, whether it is true or not still has no effect on people being offended. The watermelon lawn thing I found totally stupid, I did not find it funny, nor did I find it offensive. I just thought they could have come up with something better than that. About that CD, I thought that was the most ignorant, uneducated thing I have ever heard. The person who made it had to be someone with no life and an abundance of spare time to make something so outlandish and downright stupid. The CD went too far, the person probably made it to try and get 15mins. Of fame, but in my eyes it did not work. People who throw around, “I’m offended,” many of them just like to hear themselves talk. For Chip Saltsman to send around the, “Barack the Magic Negro” song, that was a pretty dumb move on their part, and for someone who would support such a racist and ignorant song, then that say a lot about them. I would hope that we do not have people running our country who are republicans and support acts such as this CD.

Mexicans are people, and they live in this country, so if they chose to hold on to their culture then there is nothing is wrong with that. We cannot automatically assume that they do not want to assimilate; after all they came to this country for a reason. We as Americans make it seem like we are the best country and other countries are below us, but have we forgotten that those very countries is what makes up American hello “Melting Pot!” When people are being killed over race and what people assume that others believe it is just ridiculous. I can’t believe a young person was killed because he was an immigrant, once again have we forgotten that our ancestors were once just that, and if not at one point someone in our family has been, but that gives no one the right to kill they are people to just because they are from another country they are still human. I think Mexicans feel like outsiders, and I know the feeling I feel like it is the same way it was with back people. People feel that they are superior to other races or ethnicities. Let’s not forget that when you assume you make an ass out of you!

Anonymous said...

This “line” we’re talking about is more like “lines.” For each individual person, regardless of race, there is a line. Everyone is different, and so everyone has different opinions on where the line should be drawn, on what is ok to say and what is not ok to say. And then these lines become even more complex because what sometimes a person will think something, and he or she may believe it is inappropriate to say such a thing. So for any given person, there are as many as two or more “lines” that can be drawn.
So, let’s simplify. Assuming we can draw ONE line for all general people, where does it go? Well, it cannot go to far as to judge people unfairly, but it also cannot go in the complete opposite direction so as to be ultra-conservative.
Let’s take the picture of the watermelons in front of the white house. Honestly, I started laughing when I read the caption, “No, children, there will be no Easter egg hunt at the White House this year.” I’d heard the overgeneralization that black people love watermelon, along with other things such as fried chicken and grape soda. I hadn’t heard that the reason people make fun of the watermelon thing is because black people look “stupid and apelike” while eating it. That part of it might be a bit over the line, but then again, who CAN eat watermelon without looking silly? It’s a pretty messy fruit unless you take the time to cut it up into little tiny pieces. I don’t do that. I look like an ape when I eat watermelon. Who cares? Because I think the whole ape thing can be disregarded as being offensive, I think this watermelon picture is ok. It’s like the joke Sam made in class the other day about whites not being able to dance. It’s funny because it has some truth to it. I’m white and I was not offended by it, and I don’t see why anybody would be. It’s such a rolling generalization that the humor is that the statement couldn’t possibly be true for ALL white people, yet we still say that because a lot of us feel like inferior dancers. And then there was still that one person in class who asked if it was a joke… OF COURSE it’s a joke! (on some level haha) I don’t know that question just irritated me so I wanted to address it.
As far as the songs go, they may have crossed the line on some level. I just feel like maybe people should be less sensitive. Some of the people who write these types of things are just terribly clever and mistaken for ignorant, while other people ARE ignorant and mistaken for clever. Either way, as wrong as they may sound, they are expressing some opinion and should be allowed to do so. The general line society sets is merely a guideline, and not a law. I don’t feel like getting into the two songs mentioned because the jokes and ignorance run a bit deeper than the watermelon picture, and I don’t feel like I know enough about either subject to make a conscience statement.
Overall, I just feel like people should be a little cautious around others so as to not judge prematurely, but they should also not hold back.

Anonymous said...

I enjoy seeing the works of iconoclasts like Jay Leno, Conan O’Brien, Jimmy Fallon, David Letterman, etc. I feel that their shows are extremely comical and bring humor to some serious issues and people in today’s society. I do not take any offense to their material. However, I can see how some minorities find some of their material offensive. Perhaps it is because I am just an “average” white man. There have been many comedians who have poked fun at white people. For example, Chris Rock and Dave Chappelle, just to name a few. I laugh and find much of their material making fun of white people very entertaining. For example, Dave Chappelle has said that the only thing white people talk about when they are getting drunk and high is previous times that they have gotten drunk and high. There has been much said by these comics that is extremely true and that I can relate to. I take it with a grain of salt.
On the other hand, I can see why minorities feel offended at some of iconoclasts’ material. Most of the time, I feel that when they make fun of minorities, they are simply playing on stereotypes. Take that picture of the watermelon on the White House lawn for example. I can see how Black people can take offense to that. It is just a stereotypical thought in our society that all Black people love to eat watermelon. I have seen much humor poking fun at Black people loving watermelon. Dave Chappelle often touches of the issue. Personally, I do not see where it comes from. I am sure not every Black person loves watermelon and there are many white people, Hispanics, etc. that also love watermelon. Although some Black people may feel offended by that image, I feel that is something that most Black people can shake off and not worry too much about. It is an image that does not trample values or beliefs.
Moving on, I can see the “Star Spanglish Banner” being much more offensive to Hispanic Americans and Latinos. This is because iconoclasts are not making fun of a particular trait, but a set of values and beliefs. Growing up in a diverse town, I was friends with many Hispanic people. I spent much time at their houses and got to know their parents pretty well, most of whom immigrated to the United States within the past five to twenty years. My friends’ parents spoke English very well and considered themselves to be American. I can see how this song can be taken as offensive by them because they have tried hard to assimilate into American culture. In fact, Professor Richards has even said that immigrant groups of today assimilate quicker than those in the past. A song like this is not only stereotypical, but disrespects a people’s values and beliefs. This is not right.

Anonymous said...

The idea of what is offensive and what is humorous is always a thin line. Nowadays it is so common to make inappropriate and sometimes racist comments that people are desensitized to what is okay to find funny. Although the article focuses mainly on the stereotypes of African Americans and Mexicans, there are many other cultures that receive the same treatment. I believe that things “offensive” to some people are hilarious and appropriate to others, and it is difficult to find the middle line between the two.
As I said earlier there are many different cultures that are mocked in the media today, not just African Americans and Mexicans. A prime example would be the show “South Park” where the one character Kyle is the token Jew. Most jokes are made at his expense, but the character Cartman. Cartman often refers to Kyle as being cheap and accuses him of being behind the 9/11 attacks. Although, I personally found this funny it is on the edge of being offensive and to some people is completely out of line. But the point is that all cultures are made fun of, but is it probably because it is at the minority’s expense that people consider it to be offensive.
Back to the article at hand, I honestly was unaware of the stereotype associated with African Americans and watermelons. I guess sense I am not African American I do not see the problem with the picture. I do not see it as crossing the line, especially compared to the video about Barack Obama. To me the use of the “N word” is a lot worse than a picture of watermelons outside the white house. Although, I was upset and surprised to find that it came from the Republican Party, I do not believe it is fair to then generalize all Republicans as being opposed to Obama. Yes, some of them are not supportive of Obama, but as a Republican myself I do not share the same view as the people who made the video. I just do not want to be viewed as some racist Republican who cannot stand Obama as the new president.
Another topic covered in the article had to do with the Mexican population and how they do not want to assimilate to the United States. This is a very touchy topic for most people, and many have extremely strong opinions about it. Once again I am not Mexican American so I cannot really relate to what it feels like for them. However, for all of those that made an effort to learn the English language and make an attempt to start a life here, it must be difficult to have those prejudices out there. Immigrants come here for a better life, and once here most want to be accepted and make attempts to be. The video was definitely made by someone who is racist just as the person who made the Obama video.
It is sad to think that still to this day there are people in the United States that have such a problem with people of different cultures and backgrounds. As a country we have definitely come a long way, but there is still room for growth and acceptance. The US is a land of freedom, opportunity, and acceptance, and one day I hope we live up to all the hype that we as a country are given. Overall, the word “offensive” is an open-ended idea, and people will always be offended over something. I believe it is important to understand the intent behind a joke or comment before deciding if something is really offensive. Maybe one day people will be able to joke about something without someone else being offended.

Anonymous said...

Everyone knows your not racist. Whoever feels insulted by you is just looking for trouble. At this college everybody seems to love drama, actually in this country. I don’t feel like talking about subjects that have been completely squashed into the ground for the last 18 years of my life. I don’t want to hear about all of the terrible things that have happened and how horrible racism is and how all white people are racist.
Ok im blowing it out of proportion but everybody always seems to be concentrating on being one hundred percent politically correct about everything. Everybody should just relax and have a good time, everything will fall into place. People are so into looking for drama and getting all political and finding things to fight over.
I don’t follow politics and I don’t pay attention to pretty much anything anymore because pretty much anywhere I look, I see 90% bullshit. It really bothers me, but theres really nothing I can do but shrug your shoulders and laugh about it, because if I were to get angry about it, then I would be being a hypocrite and starting drama over nothing. It’s a difficult circle. Anyways, I thought I would get that off my chest.
As for those two songs – who cares. They aren’t really that funny, and I guess they’re racist, but who cares. Rush Limbaugh is probably one of the worst people in media, if not the world, today. And anyone who thinks Sarah Palin is capable of being Vice President but two guys can’t share health care is not going to offend me in any way, no matter how racist they get.
I think you should take that blog and focus on talking about things you normally talk about, things that stimulate my mind instead of remind me of 8th grade assemblies. I like this class because we talk about the same boring stuff except in a different light. What I liked about this class was that the traditional boundaries are gone – it’s a zone where everyone doesn’t have to hold their tongue and worry about political correctness. I like the idea that when it comes to things like race and politics, there aren’t truthes or definite facts, but rather perceptions. If we look past the shallow and traditional way we’ve always looked at the world, then we can find that the real problems aren’t racism and hate, but that these things have their foundations in universal misconceptions of what race is.
One las thing. I liked talking about how white people in America are all grouped as one, and blacks and asians and so forth. My dad always says that he doesn’t consider our family white americans – he would rather that jewish people have their own distinct class. Our culture goes back thousands of years, the cultures of most races in north America only go back hundreds. Why should I be associated with slavery and racism, my family and me have nothing to do with that. But, I guess no white person is going to take credit for racism and slavery and all that good stuff, so why not me. I don’t know.

Anonymous said...

In responding to When Do We Cross Over the Line, I believe that we should not ever cross that line. That is the problem today that many of us citizens in the United States of America face are stereotyping something that is different. We have an African American man in the White House now and trying to help the economy in better standings, trying to help people in lower poverty, trying to make more funding available, and this is the way the man gets treated? Who ever created that photo of the White House and included the Watermelons is a racist low life scum bag and jealous of Barack Obama just because they didn’t have intelligence to become president. A lot of white people make claims that African Americans like Watermelon but, that is the most brain dead thing they could ever possibly say. Imagine when the other 43 presidents of the United States of American before Obama, and if some African Americans made a drawing inside the White House and having them sitting at a table eating Pot Roast, Corn Bread, Lasagna, and drinking a glass whine then that would be stereotyping the white race. A lot of the African Americans don’t go out the way to do petty stuff like this because, they have better things to do even myself would not do something that childish. I am an African American man myself, and we need society to stop racial remarks like this. I guess airhead(s) who created that photo of the White House must have a lot of time on his or her hands. All men are created equal, and we should start abiding by that statement. Regardless of race, sexual orientation, gender, ethnicity, and religion should not be judge. Not trying to become too biblical but God states this in the bible Judge ye not lest ye be judged. We all as human beings regardless race are not flaws and make mistakes. We are all as humans on this earth for a purpose regardless if you know what purpose, we should all respect everyone. Can’t we all get along instead of instead of trying to make someone feel bad about the color of their skin? The song that the person or people created about Barack Obama and the Mexicans is very derogatory and offensive in my eyes. It falls under ignorance not knowing something, lack of knowledge, and intelligence I am referring to the perpetrator(s) who created the photo, the two video’s, and whoever else that is a bigot. This society still have a long ways to go when it comes to racism because, we still have to deal with racial issues like this. I wish they leave Barack Obama alone and just give that man a chance to show what he can do. No matter how many racist white people or other races didn’t want to see an African American man in the White House but regardless, he is still our president of the United States of America no matter if you like it or not.

Steve said...

Although I get caught in stereotyping people as much as everyone else, I have tried my best to keep it out of my inner thoughts and decisions. Like Sam talked about in class, every first generation if immigrants has trouble learning a new language or assimilating fully into a culture. This is a culture that has been constantly reshaped. Originally, we were a bunch of colonies of Puritans, those who weren’t able to practice their own religion, one that thinks dancing and drinking are sins and should never be done. I don’t think we are the same America that we were then, and that is largely due to the influences of immigrants. Being at a university, I see more “immigrants” that are from Asian descent. I know quite a few people whose parents can’t speak English well, and who speak in their native language while on the phone with them. When talking to me or others though, they have hardly an accent. They are deeply engrossed in American culture. Although they have been privileged to have learned English, either by being born here, or if they are first-generation immigrants, from learning it in their native country, they still have been sucked into our ever-shifting “American” culture like everyone else. Maybe some Mexican moral values will be instilled into our culture (like the importance of family and loyalty). Maybe we will become more and more bilingual, and children will be able to speak multiple languages at a much younger age due to their friends. There are many benefits to allowing other cultures to change our own, especially since that is the whole purpose of America.
Also, for those who are against immigration, are afraid of “them taking our jobs”, or anything like that: first, look up NINA (No Irish Need Apply). There was a time when it was the Irish who were in this position. Do we all have an Irish accent? We all celebrate St. Patty’s day, but I don’t think anyone at Penn State is complaining about that. Next, I would say focus on the real problem. In a continually globalizing economy, we have greater influence and responsibility over other nations. The reason that a large number have been coming to our country is because of the state of Mexico. If we were to spend half as much money helping to reform the Mexican economy as we do with border patrol and the INS, then we wouldn’t have nearly as many illegal immigrants crossing the borders. On that note, we wouldn’t even have to cut the border patrol from the southern border, since we spend more money on the northern border stopping the flow of prescription drugs from our “affordable healthcare for all” northern neighbor, but that is another argument altogether.

Anonymous said...

Good Taste = Funny, Bad Taste = Not Funny
Crossing the line is easy to do because most people are easily offended. As a result of this fact I do my best to not cross the line because it is not my desire to offend, rather I like to entertain. I do not find racism funny and I steer clear of making jokes using common stereotypes. My friends are not every diverse being that most of them are white Americans but I do not believe this gives me the right to make offensive jokes simply because no one is around to be offended. I think any joke that knocks someone down a peg isn’t funny because not everyone can laugh. Making someone look worse to make yourself seem better is not good humor. Certain groups may find racism and stereotypes funny and however I do not because I know someone is being put down regardless of whether they hear the joke or not. I myself can be easily offended even if a joke is not directed at me, because I may know someone who the joke is being targeted at and I know they would be offended if they heard it. I find the picture of the watermelons in front of the white house to be offensive because it is just displaying a common African American stereotype. While stereotypes may be true in some cases they are not true in all cases and are hardly a correct depiction of every member in a certain race. The songs posted on the Blog are out right offensive in my mind and quite frankly I’m embarrassed for the creators. Pictures and songs like these are childish and show poor taste in humor and judgment. If everyone can laugh at your humor then you have done well but if you need to put down 2 people to make 18 people laugh then your joke is not funny in my mind.
Although I do not consider myself to be very religious I do follow the golden rule of “Treat others as you would like to be treated.” Creating songs and pictures to degrade is certainly something I would not want done to myself. Unfortunately many people find racist humor to be hilarious which makes it difficult to phase out. Often times I find comedians of a certain ethic background making fun of their peers. While this may be funny because a certain race can relate to themselves, I do not find it funny for one race to make fun of another. I know I contradicted myself a bit with that last statement but I do not believe it is up to me to determine what everyone should think is acceptable humor. However I do believe that one race does not have the right to make fun of another. To sum things up, if you have to look over your shoulder before you tell a joke maybe you should reconsider your material. If you refrain from telling the joke it’s probably because you know you would have offended someone who could have been listening.

Anonymous said...

I believe that the line which separates what is considered humorous and what is considered offensive is always changing. Things which help bring about the changes in this line of controversy can be found in pop culture, the media, political fields and the passing of time. Things which may have been considered controversial and offensive at one point in history, may today not even garner a second glance because they have become so embedded into our culture. This theory also works in reverse, in that things which people may have been able to say years ago have become socially unacceptable and are now frowned upon when said in society. Even if this line of humor and offensiveness does existed, comedy with it mixture of both is the great equalizer of all races.
The reason why it is hard to tell when someone crosses the line is because different people are offended by different things. When discussing the issue of racial comedy I believe that personality is a key factor, what one black person may find hysterical another black person may be severely offended by it. The question here is what is the difference between the people? Both are black, but both have a different reaction to the same “joke”. Because most racial jokes use a culture group as a punch line, some in the group being offended and some not, it makes this “line not to be crossed” extremely blurry. A perfect example is the standup comedy which we viewed in class. In the Indian comedians first joke he mocks the thriftiness of his fellow Indians. Most people’s rationalization for laughing at this is because he is Indian he is allowed to make fun of his culture. But then he goes on to mock the Asian race about their “extreme thriftiness”. To some Asians this may be seen as good hearted humor but others may find this routine offensive and a direct attempt to insult their culture. The difference between these two groups once again lies in an individual’s personality and how they wish to view the routine.
I don’t disagree that the two videos posted come off as offensive, but I believe that this is the message they are trying to portray. The videos aren’t trying to gain a chuckle from the ethnicities they mock, but are rather attempts to make an exclusive group of what seems like bigotry minded people laugh. The picture on the other hand, I feel is in a spirit of light heartedness. How many black comedians have joked about their cultures love of that delicious green and pink fruit? And who is to say the image wasn’t altered by an African American? True many may be offended by the image because they see it as a mockery of a cultural hero. But if comedy stopped mocking all cultural heroes we would lose ever piece of religious comedy ever made. As I said previously, comedy is the great equalizer of all races and elasticities, and we all begin to take our cultures and ourselves too seriously we would like in a pretty bitter world.

Anonymous said...

In every issue, whether it is race, gender roles, poverty, education, etc. there is also an extremely thin line drawn between what is acceptable to get a laugh, and what is offensive. So why can’t everyone keep there comments on the funny side of the line and avoid the offensive side? The problem is, everyone draws the line in a different place. There is no way to have a point where everyone says ok, that is enough. So what do you do if you don’t know where to draw the line? Here’s an idea, keep your mouth shut. There is a difference between telling a racist joke with your close friends, and insulting the president of the United States and his millions of followers. Regardless of my race or ethnicity, as a supporter of Obama, I feel offended when someone who I support and follow is insulted by a watermelon (I mean if you were going to come up with a great racist and insulting comment, couldn’t you have thought up something a little but more creative than watermelon?). It is obvious that the people coming up with these images and songs feel so lowly about themselves that they need to waste their time tearing apart people different from themselves. I never seem to have enough hours in the day, yet the creators of these images seem to have too many. I also feel that there is a difference between a joke and true racism. Insult comics are often criticized for their racist/sexist comments while trying to get a laugh. But these people are rarely racist. They make fun of every race, including their own, for the sake of getting a laugh. I don’t believe, however, that the creators of the images and songs in this blog were attempting to get a laugh. I think that these people are actually racist and do not come up with this propaganda to get a laugh, but to share their ideas and waste their time trying to create hate. Now a new question pops into mind? Is it ok to laugh at a joke that isn’t really a joke, and instead is a direct and intentional attack on specified groups of people? Once again another thin line is to be drawn, and the cycle starts again. As sad of a fact as it is, racism will never end. It is impossible to please everyone, and as a result someone will always be displeased with a certain racial or ethnic group. The media and other propaganda such as the images and audio in this blog aren’t helping the situation either. It is only getting harder for everyone to accept all the races because everywhere you turn people are trying to crack jokes, while unknowingly (or perhaps knowingly), making the road to equality even longer.

Anonymous said...

In response to this blog, I feel that being "offensive" is commonly misused. Of course there are things that are offensive and people are just going to take them the wrong way because that's how they are, but crossing the line is a good title for this particular blog. In class, when you say "cracker" or something like that, the white people don't take offense to it because 1) you're white yourself, 2) it's not really a big deal, and 3) We know you're joking. I think that things become offensive when they go to the extent of these videoes. When people literally go out of their way to make people feel like shit, for no particular reason, other than to make themselves feel better(which it seldom does). The picture here of the watermelons in front of the White House is just rediculous. Just because there is finally change for once in America, people unwilling to accept it are going out of their way to make Obama look bad, or something to that manner. I do believe the picture is offensive to other blacks maybe, but the chance of it being offensive to Obama is slim to none because I believe he's above that. He understands, I'm sure, that there are going to be ignorant people out there that just can't accept what happened for what it is, and just get on with their lives and get over it. If only other people could be that way. WE ARE IN A CHANGING STATE IN THE UNITED STATES. Change is absolutely 100% necessary and people need to shut up, sit back and let it happen. Not go out of their way to pick fun of certain people. Why can't we all just get along, seriously?? Some people need to grow up. I mean honestly, if they are going to be bothered by a HALF-Black person taking over our country, I can only imagine what's going to happen when we have people of all different races other than "WHITE" controlling our government. As for the Mexican video, I don't know any mexicans off hand, and I don't know how they would feel about this video, but I can say that it's offensive to me, only because the National Anthem is something sacred in this country. It was written at a time of hardship and then triumph symbolizing our nation coming together for one purpose; Freedom. A parody of such a historic event in and of itself is just offensive to me. Regardless if it's aimed toward Mexicans or anyone else. However, the fact that it does pick fun is mean and immature, and I'm sure Mexicans probably don't like it! But then again, what do I know. I am just a firm believer that people need to just leave everyone else alone and get along with everyone. Sure would make life a lot more peaceful and happy. Who am I kidding, that will never happen!

Anonymous said...

In ninth grade, my views on immigrants were forever changed. I was uneducated on the topic and went with whatever the general consensus was. I knew they weren’t bad people, but I still was very skeptical of them and their motives to come to America. This all changed, though, when my ninth grade Spanish teacher showed as a movie about immigration. It showed the struggles of families who just want a better life for their kids. It even portrayed the issue of drug smuggling. I came to understand this, too was all about money that was (with the exception of large cartels) desired for one’s family. I certainly think there are better ways to make money than the drug trade, but these people felt it was best.
Now, several years later the topic seems to be quite poignant again. I try very hard to understand that these people are trying to get a better life for their families. I’m often surprised that some people feel the need to ostracize them for doing work that, almost undoubtedly, they wouldn’t want to do themselves anyway! When we have enough legals working in the fields and other bottom-of-the-food-chain positions that having these illegals is actually a problem, then, yes, I see the rationale behind many arguments. Until that happens, I respectfully and vehemently disagree with anybody who complains about Mexicans taking our jobs.
While I understand the motivation behind entering the US illegally, it is still illegal. If the United States could develop a less cumbersome and time consuming system, they could get many more legal immigrants into the US to work and pursue their own idea of the American dream. This is not to say it is by fault of the United States that we have the situation we do, but if the United States could work with immigrants instead of against them, many issues could be resolved.
Now, while these are my feelings on immigration, I’m not easily offended about anything. I do not find the song or the image particularly offensive. At the same time, depending on the experiences an individual has had, I can certainly understand why and how somebody could be offended by, really, anything at all. For this reason, though I don’t get offended, I am very careful about what I say because you never know when somebody will see something differently than you do.
Coming from another direction. Obama is our Commander in Chief. Regardless of somebody’s thoughts about him, he is in a position that deserves respect. I’ll say it again—I didn’t vote for the man, but I still respect him. He needs the support and respect of everyone. Some jokes about his policies or what he said and so on and so forth are funny… it’s an everyday kind of joke. Picking on somebody because of something that, really, even started as something offensive (i.e. slavery—led to the oppression of black people) shouldn’t be widely joked about… even if it is funny.

Anonymous said...

The main question I came to when I read and watched the videos was when does making fun of something become offensive? I can honestly say that most people in the United States have made fun of someone for something, but did not mean it to be mean. For example, my little sister has cerebral palsy and every time someone mentions or makes fun of retarded people, I become offensive. I think its natural for me to stand up for what I believe in and take charge. I know my friends say the word retard a lot and that just makes me fume. I understand that they are not saying it to make me feel bad, but it just gets to me especially when they know I have a handicap sister. I think most people misunderstand handicap or mentally disabled people because it easy to make fun of them, but it is really fair the them? I mean seriously, they can’t help being the way they are. That was an example how certain issues affect me as a person.
So in comparison to how people feel when mostly “white” people make fun of Obama, I believe most aren’t doing it strictly out of hate. They are doing it because they want to make someone laugh. I understand that most people will take the song for instance the wrong way, but I mean it made me laugh. I am far from being racist; my best friend is black. I think everyone needs to lighten up about the whole Obama thing because no matter what they do everyone is still going to crack jokes about different people, if not Obama. People make fun of different races all the time. I’m not saying it the right thing to do, but I am saying if everyone takes everything offensive then they have extreme low self esteem. People have to learn to laugh at themselves, even when people are offending you.
The whole cracking jokes on different cultures can be extremely hurtful to certain people. Like in the article, the watermelons taking place of the Easter eggs. I personally didn’t know what to think because I didn’t get it at first. I know everyone knows some racist jokes. I mean they are all over the media, and in movies. One thing I don’t get about the whole making fun of race is that if you are part of that race its okay to make fun of yourself, but heaven forbid someone else makes fun of your race. I don’t get it! Why are people do offensive about race? Why can people of the same race make fun of each other, but then get offended when people not from their race make fun of them? I believe that everyone needs to lighten up. Race is a serious matter, but it doesn’t have to be as big as everyone makes it out to be.
Lastly, I’d like to talk about the “Star Spanglish Banner.” This song I can see how it could be offensive to Spanish people. But then again I know many Spanish people who would laugh at the song. I know many Spanish people who make fun of the whole jumping the boarder idea. I also know people who would be offended also. So where exactly do we land of crossing the line. Are we only supposed to make fun of our own race? Are we supposed to defend our race every chance we get? I honestly don’t know. Maybe if everyone lightened up a bit, race wouldn’t be so much of an issue.

Anonymous said...

First off I just want to clarify the fact that Rush Limbaugh is one of the dumbest people who has ever existed on planet earth. For anyone in America to feel like the list of songs that were sent out is just humorous they are idiots as well. I personally could only get through about 30 seconds of each song.
I personally have never spoken with any Mexicans about the issue of not wanting to assimilate in to the United States. At times, I do get frustrated when I run into the occasional person who cannot speak English. I think that in the end I wish I had become more fluent in Spanish considering it can be so widely used. However, it is also ignorant of me to think that every person who resides in the “melting pot” of America should speak English.
Also, I do not care one way or the other about the border hopping that is done by illegal immigrants. To be honest if I were them I would be doing the exact same thing. Mexico doesn't exactly have the best standards of living and if there was any way for me to escape I would be floating across the Atlantic on a wooden door also. I do not understand why people get all worked up over it either. These people are coming to our country and taking the jobs that nobody wants. Part of the American dream is obtaining an education and attending college. Who wants to get their doctorate and then work as a janitor or cleaning lady? I am not saying these things as if they are below me or these are the only jobs Mexicans can do, but I feel like I would be overqualified for the position with a college degree. Also, when you become an illegal immigrant it makes work hard to find so these are just two examples of the types of work that they happen to end up doing. Not all Mexicans are uneducated either, but their society is structured in such a way that it is somewhat difficult to get a higher education.
I have no personal problems with Mexicans, if they were to move in next door and speak no English, it would be an adjustment. I would definitely need some way to communicate with them because I would not want to be a rude and unfriendly neighbor. It would be interesting though because I would be curious about their customs and their way of life. I would want to show them how we celebrate Independence day. I would want to eat an authentic Mexican meal. I would just be very intrigued more than anything.
I cannot understand how people can agree that America is a “melting pot” of various ethnicities etc. and then get angered when we have people literally sacrificing their lives and giving up every comfort they know in a search to better their quality of life. In all, the songs are offensive and I would be pissed off if my boss, political leader or friend sent these songs to me.

Anonymous said...

I think people these days are too judgmental and are quick to make assumptions about people based on generalizations. Everyone can take a joke once in awhile, but there are people that do not know when enough is enough. Everyone’s personality is different and people take offense to different topics. For example, I am polish and I would not be offended if someone called me a “polack”, but my Dad was born in Poland and gets very mad when that word is mentioned. Therefore, I feel not only should people be careful what they say, but they need to be careful who they are talking too. It is a lot easier to laugh at a joke from your best friend than from someone you just met. I think many people find the stereotypes about certain races funny, hence why they have nothing better to do then make a video about it. However, it is not only rude to make a video about Obama, our new president, but it is just plain immature.

The video about the Mexicans is just as ridiculous, if not more. I can not personally say I know how the Mexicans feel because I am not Mexican. I was actually surprised watching this video because I did not know this was going on. I do not recall ever hearing that the Mexicans wanted to make the United States another Spanish speaking country and honestly I do not think this is true. I have friends that are Mexican and they are extremely proud of their culture and are known to outwardly express it, but that does not mean they want to change this country. Many Mexicans come to the United States of America to have freedom and make money. Also, the United States of America does not have a set language. Yes, most people speak English, but I can not tell you how many times I am walking around campus and I hear people speaking Chinese, Japan, Spanish, Italian, etc. Mexicans are allowed to speak Spanish in the America and there is nothing that says they have to speak English, so why would they “want to turn this country from one that is English speaking to another that is Spanish speaking”? I think this generalization has negatively affected their lives because they probably get treated differently now by other races. People perhaps look at them and talk to them differently because they have this judgment in the back of their mind. Although, it might have positively affected their lives because the people who are not naive and do not believe the rumor treat them better. Some people could gain more respect for them if they know what they go through on a daily basis. After hearing this song, I do not think I would think anything different about a Mexican neighbor or co-worker because I do not believe it.

Anonymous said...

The joke about the watermelons in front of the White House is directed at Obama and black people because they supposedly like watermelon. I think the people that are making these jokes are not those that are not educated and are just making assumptions. That is similar to stating that every white person likes cheeseburgers or every Mexican likes tacos. That notion is ignorant when you think about how many Americans are vegetarians and that there must be at least one Mexican individual that does not enjoy tacos. These jokes are obviously made to make people laugh, hence the reason it is a joke but can easily offend people. Depending on the joke, I feel like it is all too easy to “offend people.” Although some people may take it as racist, people that come up with these jokes are usually just seeking humor and laughter. There is a fine line where people could actually become too offensive and attack beliefs and values that could really hurt people. Perhaps making fun of one’s family, culture, or lifestyle could really offend people of certain cultures because it is what they believe in strongly and want to defend it. What people need to consider is that these types of “jokes” are created for all different races, and backgrounds. There is not one particular group that is targeted. Poking fun at whites, blacks, Mexicans, etc. is not uncommon. Therefore, I feel that people should not get too caught up with what they feel as being “offensive” and just enjoy a healthy laugh (the actual intention of the joke).
The song “Barack Obama the Magic Negro” was played on Rush Limbaugh’s radio show which I was very surprised to learn. I don’t understand why a Republican would actually play something like that and expect to gain the respect and votes from the African American class. As stated before, there is a fine line that one must cross and I feel as though this type of “humor” crosses the line because it is acting as though Obama is not fit to be president. When the Republican party was already in need to be revived, that song did not necessarily help. In addition, the “Star Spanglish Banner” seems to also be racist and may also cross some type of line between humor and offense. If I were Spanish I do not think that I would want to hear a song that is clearing stating that Latinos do not want to assimilate to the united states after I had taken residency in the united states. Therefore, between the jokes about the watermelon and the white house and the songs directed to Obama and the Spanish, there seems to be a fine line one must not cross.

Anonymous said...

There is a point at which being humorous does cross a line, and it goes from being funny to being hurtful. The cartoon depicting a watermelon patch in front of the White House is trying to get a rise out of the viewers whom it was created for, most likely readers of a newspaper or website blog or some similar media outlet. While it does go back to cartoons of generations past where blacks were depicted in the “Jim Crow” south as lesser people who lived to eat watermelon, the image itself was probably created to get more people to look at the media outlet where it was posted. Generally, things that borderline on offensive draw much more attention then those that do not offend anyone. Negative attention is just as good as positive attention when sponsorship for your website is based on the number of hits it receives, regardless of how many people you offend in the process of generating those hits.
I agree that this depiction is offensive to blacks who fought through the boundaries of race for years and were constantly berated with images of similar offense from whites, who were trying to keep race relations unequal for all Americans. However, it is only an image and in order to keep from allowing offensive images, songs, speech etc. to undermine a person’s self respect and beliefs, one must be able to just ignore things such as this and realize that these offenses are created by those on the fringe who must attack another person’s qualities to make themselves feel better. This is often due to the offender’s own ignorance and bigotry stemming from lack of education, socialization and other factors which have forced this person to stoop to the lowest common denominator of racial offense in order to make their point.
Barack Obama and all people who are offended by this ad must look further into the situation. The people who truly believe the portrayals the image is sending are the ones who feel the most threatened, and this is why they create and support “statements” like the one this picture makes. They have no educational or rational basis to form criticisms of the President, so they resort to race, the single card that they feel they can hold over the president. They most likely don’t know enough to be able to criticize Obama’s policies, or choices for cabinet members or topics that would be debated by the educated. Instead they make racist comments and images because it gets attention, and this is the underlying desire that they have and it is what fueled their ignorance to begin with. Their mothers probably didn’t give them enough attention as a child, or their families were broken and the children suffered and therefore the grew up as racists who now have enough Photoshop skills to make offensive images which garner them the attention they have strove to find their whole lives.
I think we should actually feel sorry for the people who feel the need to make statements, or images, such as this because they have no educational background on which to build their disapproval of the president. These are the people who need to be helped so that they do not continue to breed ignorance and hate in our country. Hopefully the children of these people who side with the statements made by this image will be enlightened by the educators who help extinguish the ignorance that fuels this type of thinking.

Anonymous said...

I agree with the majority of people in saying there is a difference between funny and mean. There are many words people take offense too because these word, phrases, and underlying messages connote various feelings for them. I find the videos for President Obama and the Mexican take on the Star Spangled Banner to be extremely offensive. First, President Obama and these Mexican Immigrants have encountered their fair share of discrimination being minorities. The “Barack the Magic Negro” video showed the Republicans outrageous behavior in hopes of gathering support. Trying to single out President Obama as not being “black” enough was a feeble attempt to gain more votes. I feel President Obama’s background as far being raised, his race, and his accomplishments over the years allows for various people to be able to relate to him. To me, it just demonstrates how childish and desperate the Republican Party was by distributing songs such as this. It just proves that Obama’s credentials far outweighed those of Senator McCain and Govenor Palin, as Republicans could not attract voters, especially “minority votes” unless they said, “Obama is not really like the rest of you.” I also think that whenever a person is climbing his or her way to the top and accomplishing several goals, other people are always going to attempt to knock them down, especially with words they deem “funny.” I think this is what the Obama video tried to do.
As far as the “Star Spanglish Banner” video, I found this to be extremely offensive as well. When watching the video, I began to think about my great grandparents who immigrated to the United States from Poland just before World War I. My great-grandparents immigrated to the United States via Ellis Island in order for a better life despite knowing very little English. When finally settling in Pennsylvania, my great-grandparents faced extreme discrimination especially because they were Polish immigrants. Just like the all other racial and ethnic groups, my family experience hatred first hand. However, my family overcame the barriers (especially the language barrier) and began their better life in the United States. Just like most immigrants, they made sure to integrate themselves to the American culture. Yet, they still held on to the important parts of their Polish heritage. I feel that for any ethnic or racial group, it is important for them to embrace parts of their culture whether it’s food, music, literature, or anything along those lines. In the “Star Spanglish Banner” video, I find it offensive how it is stereotyped that these immigrants are trying to “take over” the United States. These immigrants are looking for a better life just as the majority of our ancestors were. They too are doing their best at adapting to the American life while still trying to embrace their Latino or Hispanic culture. I find nothing wrong with that seeing as that’s exactly what my great-grandparents did not so long ago. The only thing I do have a problem with is illegal immigration. Since my ancestors immigrated legally to the United States, I think all immigrants should be forced to do so as well. I also hope that in the future, the people who chose to create these videos learn to utilize their time in more beneficial way.

Unknown said...

The image and the songs that are focused upon in this blog are not innocent people accidentally shifting into offensive material when trying to be funny, as you described yourself. In the first instance, the alteration of the White House, the humor towards Obama was not necessarily directed at the rich and the famous, but rather at a very visible, public black man. Simply, it is an act of ethnic aggression and not simply someone making a joke. It is, of course, difficult to decide what should be considered “crossing the line,” as that is a matter of personal taste. However, for myself and for countless other sympathetic individuals, regardless of their ethnic group, it is apparent that the picture, and the following two songs, are clearly discriminatory actions fueled by feelings of prejudice.
This prejudice, which is very visible in all three creations, is offensive. It is very necessary to note that, while offensive can certainly imply “going on the offensive,” or feeling attacked, in this case it means to cause displeasure or resentment. If someone showed me either of these items, and I believed they genuinely supported them, I would feel offended. Further, if I decided to tell the person in question this, I would be prepared to justify my point. Just like the despicable actions of the youth in New York City, in the account of which you ask what pushed them from thought into action, the persons creating the picture and the two videos in the blog took the leap from prejudice thought into discriminatory action, which I have no respect for. In all of these cases, there is no doubt that what helped these people act against a group were second-hand sources of information that developed into a learned prejudice, which was only reinforced by a selective perception of individuals within an ethnic group. In other words, such hostile action toward a certain ethnic group cannot reasonably be based on any actual observations, because there are no such observations that would unanimously describe every individual in the group.
For the last video, I cannot say that I know how it would make a Mexican feel, nor can I tell how viewing it would affect their lives. However, it is easy to tell that the video was based on highly prejudiced feelings, and was meant to be enjoyed by those who shared similar beliefs. I also cannot see how viewing that video or even listening to the song would change any person’s feelings about a Mexican or Mexican family they know unless those feelings were already being slightly harbored. That video, and all the other media being presented, are their to appeal to people who already believe in the dominant ideas being expressed, with no regard to who they might offend.

Anonymous said...

The fact that individuals deliberately target others in order to crack a “joke” is unfortunate. People who capitalize upon cultural and racial slurs so as to produce laughter are, in truth, mocking the very identity of their fellow countrymen and world citizens. We would predict that such people are ignorant, uneducated, and severely sheltered from the evolutionary transformations taking place within our world. Sadly, however, this statement is largely false. Individuals making allegedly comical remarks regarding ethnic and racial groups are not solely those from the backwoods of Tennessee—they are our leaders. Yes, those individuals responsible for formulating the policies and doctrines by which we as Americans govern our nation, are also composing “comedic” songs such as “Barack the Magic Negro.” These politicians—whom have attended the most prestigious universities in the United States, acquired the finest education possible, and are considered highly informed, scholarly, cultured, and poised—are sentencing individuals to shame, persecution, and humiliation in order to fuel their own entertainment.
The irony of this situation is sharp and biting, and may, in fact, prove threatening to the progress currently being gained in regard to race and ethnic equality and the relations being shared between those representing various ancestral properties. When the Constitution of the United States was first drafted, our forefathers included within its text the notion that, “All men are created equal.” In the historical context of this statement, however, such assertion did not denote or imply what it does now. At the time in which the Constitution was first drawn up, this claim applied to white males alone. Today, however, as a result of our shift toward new and innovative modes of thinking, we hear this proclamation and agree (by and large) that it means that all individuals—regardless of race, ethnicity, heritage, religion, or any other categorization—will be treated with the same courtesy and respect, and are entitled to the same level of equality and justice. We as a nation and as a melting pot of individuals have, no doubt, advanced in reference to a reduced amount and lessened severity of prejudice and discrimination. However, the fact that theoretically upright and refined individuals of the American political arena are composing and distributing amongst themselves songs disrespecting and offending peoples of various ethnic and cultural groups beckons that we reflect upon our current state of racial affairs and question whether we are perhaps, backpedaling and regressing in reference to racial and ethnic courtesy. Though African Americans, Latinos, and any other minority group are granted equal rights under the law, they are not truly being treated as equals if they must endure discrimination, which is, irrefutably, what such songs, videos, and photographs are.
If those accountable for guiding and directing our country hold such ignorant and insulting notions within their hearts, what hope does this race issue have? It is extremely discouraging and disheartening to learn that American statesmen assume sentiments which should be wholly outdated and obsolete. This is 2009. We must further our efforts to modernize, starting with the position we take on concerning racial diversity. We as members of the human race must terminate the perpetuation of bigotry and animosity toward those whom are not an exact replica of ourselves.

Anonymous said...

In response to “When do we cross the line” I found it to be rude and unnecessary. I know people often throw the word “offended” around like it has no meaning but I honestly was offended with this and I am not black or African American. I live in the city where there is a wide variety of cultures and races so I have heard many of those food stereotypes but I must say the watermelon joke towards blacks is a common one. Why are blacks only stereotyped with eating watermelon? I eat watermelon all the time and so does everyone I know. How did that become a black joke? I don’t understand where people get this stuff from. Why are we stereotyping people for what they eat? Seriously, that’s pathetic that we have nothing better to do. Being white myself, sometimes I am embarrassed to be associated with some other whites out there. I am just so sick of hearing about people making black jokes or jokes about any other culture. I don’t understand it. Why can’t people look past someone’s race or religion? I know that is so much to ask for and it would more than likely NEVER happen because you cant get rid of racist people in the world but it is just so annoying and is getting ridiculous. Every since Obama became president there has been so many videos, pictures and songs made to degrade him and it is pathetic. Even if you don’t like him for whatever reason, you should respect him; he is the president of the United States. Another thing that aggravates me is the Mexican jokes. Everyone is always saying that Mexicans need to leave America and go back to their own country and talk about how they don’t know English but you know what I have noticed that many Mexican families are here and doing very well for themselves. They have jobs, homes, and families and there are some American families who have been here all their lives and are living in poverty. Now don’t get me wrong, I do laugh at these jokes when I hear them but that doesn’t mean I agree with them. When Obama was running for president and then when he became president many said that we are on our way to solving the problem of racism in this country and I think we are far from it. There are people out there that you can never change. With that said, people are going to act how they want and I guess eventually we will all need to learn to laugh at these jokes because I don’t think they will ever stop. We live in a word full of ignorant people and that’s that!

Anonymous said...

I think that most people in today’s society just have a good old fashioned STICK UP THEIR ASS! I mean, can you really just blatantly put this kind of stuff out there, and say that it’s “offensive” or “humor”? I think not. Granted that most of us today when we see or hear these things, feel HURT, not offended by these messages and images. I say hurt because even though you aren’t physically in pain, you feel a sense of responsibility and even guilt for what was said. Can a white person really say that they feel attacked whether personally or as a collected population at something that is geared towards blacks, or Hispanics, or whoever? I think not. The truth is that to some people, of all backgrounds, this is humor while others see it as offensive material. Every single individual as just that, AN INDIVIDUAL, has a certain ethical line that they are willing to approach and sometimes even cross. Some lines are farther away and thicker and wider than others. Some are closer and more narrow. You can’t just give this a tag as this or that. It’s complete idiocy and dare I say the work of feeble minded individuals. I found both videos to be while as a whole tasteless, some what amusing. Now I am not racist in any way shape or form. I just know that in today’s society, you have to be willing to have a laugh at your own expense. You can’t honestly tell me that you’ve never been out at a party and drunk dialed or drunk texted an ex boyfriend/girlfriend, danced on a table naked or topless, puked all over the person you just randomly met and was hoping to be hooking up with that night. Anything and everything you say and do, whether you are willing to admit it or not shapes how people look at you. Now most people know that there is more than meets the eye, but what about that girl that has a reputation of drinking way too much at parties and passing out on the bed? What about that guy that finds it best to walk around pissing everywhere and telling everyone off? If you are one of those people, you know who and what you are, and best chances are that most other people know this too. But there will always be that one group of people that have no idea who or what you truly are, and are going to be making jokes and rude comments about how they heard you did this or that at the party you were at last week. If you aren’t able to just take it all with a grain of salt and laugh at yourself, then you should seriously think about what you do that makes people think the way they do, and maybe next time try putting down the last 5 shots of tequila. Now when immigrants and ethnic people come into to picture, I think its just purely if you’re going to let the actions and responses of others like you commit to how you are viewed and react, or are you willing to stand up and be the exception, educating the world. The only line that we as a society need to worry about is that line that goes between pure satire, and violence. The world is built around satire and jokes, and even laughing at others expense. I feel like I’m rambling here, so let me just make my point. The idea is that even though people are singling out one specific person or one specific collection of people, obviously not every person of the represented fits into that mold. I think that the only people that should feel offended are the people that had the balls to put such things online. Because while they are highly amusing and entertaining, they should be offended at the fact that no one is getting the idea that its humor. When such an action leads to bombings, threats, mobs of people chasing down writers and artists for what they posted as inspiration and entertainment, then we’ve crossed the line. The idea of the kids in NYC chasing down the immigrant for the shear joy of beating an immigrant as offensive also stirs me up. While it was a grave injustice, I don’t feel these people were being offensive. I think they were just flat out Mind Fuck Stupid and had a very twisted perception of the world, and especially of a particular stereotype. Knowing realistically it would never happen, all we would have to do get rid of stereotypes, or create new ones. Right now, I’m proposing a new stereotype, and that is that all white people are trashy looking beer drinking livin’ in a trailer rednecks. BAMM!!! Now the rest of the world can chastise the white people for being slobs, and honestly, I think that white people are the one group that isn’t racially or ethnically profiled against, and maybe it would humble us and do all of humanity some good.

Anonymous said...

Personally, I do not think that the picture of watermelons in front of the White House was over the line but I am not black and I might have a different stance if I was. While I have heard that stereotype before (that black people love watermelon), I have never heard it being attached to blacks being stupid and apelike. It is unclear to me whether the author had those adjectives in mind while drawing it, but I do not think it comes off as malicious. I think it is kind of the same way that Dr. Richards says some generalizations in our class (e.g. white people cant dance). People viewing the picture and people listening to Dr. Richards have to understand that these are just generalizations made in jest and aren’t made to offend people.
However, I think that some people decide to make fun of differences or try to find humor in our differences because they don’t know how else to treat them. This does not make them right, but it is the only thing they know how to do because of the way they were raised. Also, I think that some of the people that but out these controversial videos/pictures do not have the beliefs that they portray. For instance, I don’t necessarily think that the person who made the “Star Spanglish Banner” video thinks that all Mexicans have allegiance to Mexico first or that they are all border jumpers. I think they might have been just trying to get a response from people and evoke emotion. However, even without holding these beliefs, the videos are still dangerous. People who are less educated or more immature might see this video and think that it is truth. They might think that the video depicts the way that Mexicans really are and for this, the video can be very harmful. I think things like this relate a lot to Sacha Baron Cohen and the videos he puts out, especially his film “Borat.” In his film “Borat,” one scene shows a giant 15 foot tall Jewish character laying an egg and someone yells, “Crush that Jew egg before it hatches.” As an educated person (and a Jew) I understand that Jews do not look the way they were depicted and that Jews don’t lay eggs. I actually found myself laughing at this part because of how ridiculous it way. However, the sad thing is that people in this world actually do think of Jews like that. My Jewish cousin went to Mississippi and when people found out he was Jewish, they asked him where his purple horns were. Videos such as the ones in the blog, “Borat,” and other controversial videos are not that harmful in my opinion except for the “truths” that people take away from it. Even though I understood the fallacies in that scene in “Borat” and was able to laugh it off, somewhere someone watched that and believed that Jews actually are that way. That is the true danger and problem with these jokes are that people don’t always understand that they are jokes.

Anonymous said...

When do we cross that oh so difficult line? When is a joke a joke, and not a personal attack? Humor is an interesting subject. It becomes especially interesting when that humor brings to the forefront taboo subjects; subjects such as race, ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, or sex. What may offend one person may be hysterical and spot on to another. I believe it all depends on the person. It is all very circumstantial.

I know myself; I have never been attacked racially, or judged because of my background, at least not to my face. And I don’t feel like I have ever experienced any negative racial incidents severe enough to affect my opinions. I may be that “naïve” white girl, but I haven’t been exposed to enough to find the particular YouTube videos in question as offensive. I find them funny. I am a very liberal person, and am not going to over analyze things meant to be humorous and spin them as offensive. They are just playing upon the stereotypes and labels given to all racial groups, in these examples, those of the Mexicans and the blacks.

My personal opinion may be totally off base for others however. Someone that has lived their entire life being racially judged and attacked, may watch these videos or listen to those songs, and find them completely disgusting and hateful. They may find them to be personal attacks.

I feel as if humor can be taken in many different ways. I truly believe however that is depends on the intention of the creator or author. If someone meant it as a joke, and then it was spun into something hurtful, it cannot be blamed on the creator. It is something personal. Personal experiences mold what you find funny.

YouTube celebrities, like Russell Peters and comedians such as Chris Rock, have made a career or at least created fame on making jokes that in some light, could be taken as offensive. This includes, depending on your viewpoint, making fun of the different racial groups. Russell Peters, for example, focuses strictly on the stereotypical characteristics of his racial background as an Asian Indian. Chris Rock focuses on those stories of stereotypical black behavior. What we find offensive, is strictly unique.

Now as far as the political aspect of this subject goes: Is it wise for political figures, hoping to run for re-election, to send these “controversial” videos to his followers? It’s probably not the message his PR person wanted to be sent to the mass public. A conservative republican like Chip Saltsman, one that is trying to revive and re-invent the Republican Party, probably shouldn’t be sending this to his supporters. It again goes to the fact that humor is situational and circumstantial. While his white supporters may find it humorous, the black and brown public that he is trying to draw in would likely not appreciate another stereotypical white republican guy, insulting them. Especially one that would have a hand in running and making decisions for our country.

Anonymous said...

The fact that white people have had and will think that they are the overpowering race and no other race should take away from their power is wrong. I think this problem is coming from the fear that some white people might have of losing power to other races. This fear is initiating the drama and the picture with the watermelons. I think watermelons are great, and this picture shows how immature and racist some people are. There is not much to say to people who had made this photo, and I will just laugh at them for being so ridiculously narrow minded. This race differences and categories of color is all made by human like all religions, therefore it will be unfair as long we live. Everyone is trying so hard to prove others wrong in order to show that they are superior to others. If you think about how much thought and energy is being put in race relations and the differences among us, we could instead put these differences aside and look at all this in a positive way and truly try to love and respect others for their values and what they stand for regardless of their race, color and ethnicity. I believe whether you are black, white, Asian, Middle Eastern, etc you can change the world if you choose to regardless of what others might say. They will always be some people in life like the ones who made a picture of the white house with the watermelons to try to show that black is still inferior to white. This will always happen and we should never let such things to have an effect on how we perceive life and that specific race. The individuals who make these offensive jokes toward certain races are not even able to explain the reasons for their actions. They do not know what it is exactly that is bothering them and making them to do such actions. A possible reason could be the fear of being judged by others which makes people to commit such rude and offensive actions. If we ever change our own mind and understandings and be able to walk outside of out comfort zone, life would be complete.

Anonymous said...

Ugh, that spanglish banner song made me want to throw up. And people are taking this seriously and using it to judge Mexican people? First of all, whoever thinks that Mexicans want to take over and turn the country Spanish-speaking is thinking like a dumbass. America is freaking huge, and filled with a whole lot more racist ignorant white people than you think. The Mexicans most likely realize this and therefore do not think it is possible to turn the nation español. So the Mexicans who do think this is feasible are drinking a little too much tequila, and should be of no real concern to us anyway. The second thing I want to say about this song is that it clearly was not made by a Mexican person. It was someone really racist, forging a terrible accent and making a mockery out of a culture. Anyone with the ability to make logical connections in their brain should see that this is something made by someone who does not deserve your time or energy. Let alone control the feeling and attitude that you have about another person or group of people. We are constantly, as humans, creating judgements and stereotypes about other people and grouping together against other groups. We are so afraid of the differences between us that we stick to what is so familiar. We are also afraid of change because we get so stuck in our ways, subconsciously building our lives around these fears inside of us. Most of us don’t face our fears on a regular basis, and therefore they manifest in ugly ways that separate us from each other. It is my real belief that we are all ultimately connected. The same energy that is lighting your consciousness is also lighting my consciousness and everyone else’s, so however you treat and view others is really, essentially, how you are treating and viewing yourself. The secret to getting over this is to try to experience each moment as it was a brand new fresh moment. Literally wiping out all preconceived notions about how you think something will feel, look, act, or react to you. It’s definitely easier said than done, because our preconceived notions are so deeply buried beneath us; it may take a long time to weed them all out. Once you get rid of this stuff you begin to experience the essential nature of everything, which is ultimately a complex web of love and beauty. This complex web of beauty exists within each person in infinite amount. Judging someone or degrading their culture or anything about them is denying them of their basic right to be respected as a fellow human being. Exploiting an entire group of people based on your own assumptions is also denying yourself of the energy and creativity that this person has to offer you.

Anonymous said...

Yes, there is a fine line between racism and jokes, and I also believe that there is a time and a place to tell jokes such as these. I am not saying that I support racism or that I believe that people should just break out the borderline inappropriate jokes whenever they feel like but theses jokes should not be seen as the gospel. The difference between racism and jokes about racism is that when a person is racist they judge and dislike another person because of race or ethnicity. A joke on the other hand, is being able to acknowledge the stereotypes and use them for a laugh…NOT to hurt or shame another. Along the way, people have been hurt by racist jokes, and I always feel sorry (whether I am witnessing the effects of the joke being told, or whether the joke is being told to me) for the person offended because of how uncomfortable they look, how withdrawn they get or how angry they sound. Personally, I think that people need to lighten up and shake the insecurities, because while many people believe that racist jokes perpetuate stereotypes I fell that they can undo the stereotype. If we are constantly afraid of what we say and always watch our words then we will always side step around topics that make us uncomfortable; therefore, we will never be able to overcome stereotypes because we are afraid of them. However, if we can laugh at how utterly RIDICULOUS most stereotypes are then I believe that we can move forward, away from racist ideals and hurtful ways. Again there is a time and a place to take this step, I’m not saying that stereotypical jokes should be said anywhere (for instance it would be incredibly out of line for a UN ambassador to tell a racially/ethnically stereotypical joke at a conference on international relations…this would probably be a very unwise decision) but maybe we shouldn’t get so offended by them or take them so seriously. In my experiences, at least, the people that tell “racist” jokes……are the farthest people from racists, I have found that it’s the people that get offended easily and blow the joke out of proportion that are the people that judge others on race and ethnicity, because they themselves are uncomfortable with it. For this reason, I enjoy Sam’s lectures because he is trying to take all of us out of our comfort zone, and yes, along the way people will unfortunately become offended, but his goal is not to offend, but rather to expand our views and make us more tolerant. As for the jokes about Obama, there are always jokes made about political figures, or any figures in the public eye for that matter, because it is easy to do. There were jokes about Bush, there are jokes about Palin and McCain…..it’s expected that this is going to happen. I honestly believe that we need to not get so offended so quickly, if we lighten up it might be easier for us to move away from racism.

Anonymous said...

When I first saw the picture of the watermelons growing in front of the white house, I was disheartened. I knew the moment I saw that picture exactly what its aim was, what it was making fun of. I kept thinking how horrible this scene was. But then I really started to think about it. I started to think about all the jokes and satire that every President of the United States has been victim of. It comes with the job, right? I then began to think how many times I have seen George W. Bush transformed from a human being to a monkey (obviously making fun of his lack of intelligence). I guess what I’m trying to say is, isn’t what we see here the exact same thing as seeing George W. Bush or any other President being made fun of? Or is it different because race plays such an integral part of our political lives now? For some reason, before, when Presidents were made fun of on SNL I thought it was hilarious. But now, when I see negative comments or pictures aimed at Obama (those comments and pictures being aimed more at Obamas race than say his character) I feel saddened by these pieces of satire. I feel like such a hypocrite when I say this. How can I laugh at every other piece of satire about every other U.S. President, yet this I just can’t stand? In terms of the comment about “the watermelon being used as a prop to drive home the point about black people being inferior,” is kind of ridiculous. You’d think that now that we have a half black President, people wouldn’t think about black people being so inferior anymore. Afterall, WE did elect a half black President. We must not think black people are that inferior if we can elect a half black President and his family. I thought the “Barack the Magic Negro” video was interesting. I remember writing in an earlier blog about how I felt like those black people who did elect Barack Obama did it for a good reason. That reason being that Barack Obama is incredibly intelligent. The video mentioned that Barack “wasn’t from the hood.” I wonder then if this is why so many people liked him and saw him as a great leader; because he almost seemed white?? As far as the Star Spanglish banner goes, the video just gets me thinking of the composition of this country in terms of the people that live in the United States. I look at that video and try to understand how it must be trying to come to this country. The United States is such a melting pot. There is no such thing as a pure American. Everyone wants to be in a country where they feel like they have the opportunity to prosper. But I begin to wonder if they can succeed here. I mean, look at that video. We don’t exactly seem that supportive.

Anonymous said...

I hope for the sake of our country that this song was has no derivation from any political or leading figure in our community. It would be a huge embarrassment for our country and make many of her citizens ashamed. While some people find it funny, I find it extremely offensive although I am not directly involved. The people who find this video funny exert ignorance and the inability to think outside their own conscious realm. After scrolling down to find more racist and ignorant comments, I could not help but feel somewhat cynical of certain areas of the country, those who were not educated, those who were raised in homes of ignorance, and those who will never reach a certain intellectual level of understanding that the people who make actual impact in our world have reached. I do not personally know any Mexicans well enough to have had a conversation with them about this. I can only imagine that these sentiments have a negative impact on their lives seeing how some Americans categorize their entire countrymen into one lump category that is also negative. I feel like Mexicans are also categorized into anti-American lazy deceitful people in this video, which they are not. One never considers that they may be hard working people who are coming to America to support their families, and that this is not a laughing issues because of the treatment and work that they are subjecting themselves to. While we sit at home with our families watching TV comfortably , some of us can find making fun of a hard working starving people funny, while others can try to put ourselves in their shoes and maybe be grateful that we are as lucky as to not be in their position. To be honest, I would have more respect for Mexicans as neighbors and close friends after listening to this song because it subjects me to understand more of what they have to go through everyday. Acts like this tighten their bonds as a people and ties their struggles together, much like it is in other races that have been discriminated against. I do not mind hiring a Hispanic nanny for my children someday, given I will have the resources and lack of time to do so. I would actually like to surround my child with more diverse backgrounds so that he will grow up not judging people by their backgrounds or pre-conceived notions, but rather have an ear to listen to everyone’s unique story and grow as a human being in that manner. I would like my child to experience all that the world has to offer and be a person of character and acceptance.

Anonymous said...

In response to "When do we cross over the line" I feel that we have already crossed the line. The fact that there are two of many slanderous videos even out there brings out my disgust to the people who make them. I don't understand why people are so obsessed with the fact that Obama is black. While I do agree that jokes are necessary in finding light in hard situations, and overcoming our racist old ideologies, I think they have gone too far and are just now slanderous. People need to look at what Obama has done for the country, not the color of his skin. I do not see how him being black will affect decision making processes on important issues such as global warming and the economic crisis. What we do need to look at is how Obama is going to handle these issues using his intelligence and political compassion and not what he looks like. In regards to the Mexican slander video, there was some humor found in it, but at the end of the day, it is still stereotyping a certain race. They are our neighbors to the south but in my opinion we have no qualms with them. I believe that the immigration problem isn't really a problem at all. They are just trying to make a better life for themselves in the "Land of Opportunity" and why should we fault them or make fun of their culture because they want to be here. Jokes are jokes and that is understandable, but there is such a thing as tact. You need to give our President time to properly distinguish himself before we can make fun of him, not just for his race.

Anonymous said...

I have never believed that Mexicans, Latinos, or any immigrant was deserving of such inane and unfounded accusations. From a very young age I, as a Caucasian, have had myriad experiences with Mexicans, both legal and illegal. This song does nothing but disgust me in its ignorance and disregard for the feelings and emotions of an entire nation of innocent people. From neighbors to coworkers to caregivers, Latinos have been an integral part of my life, and I have even taken up the language to make myself a more adaptable American. As a country based on acceptance of other cultures, beliefs, religions, and even language, I consider it a patriotic duty to embrace these people and their culture.
Over the course of history, distinct immigrant waves have washed into this country, from every inch of the globe. While initially met with disrespect and ill will, these people were eventually integrated into society, along with their cultures and beliefs. We are witnessing the movement of Central and South America, as well as the Caribbean, into our country, same as the Irish, Italians, Polish, Russian, and Asian nationalities once did. And, in fact, all of those immigrants were met with similar treatment as the newcomers of today. However, without progressive thinking and acceptance, this country would be one of hatred and constant strife. While violence based on cultural and ethnic background exist, it is not fueled by listening to others or respect, but trivial videos and ideals like those pictured and recorded in this blog.
As a Caucasian of European descent, I still find a significant amount of common ground with the Latino and immigrant population, as can every American. Regardless of one’s feelings concerning immigration policy or the job market in this country, it is impossible to deny that these are people too, deserving of equal treatment guaranteed by the laws we hold dear as citizens. And so, I state again, it is un-American to deny these rights and equalities to anyone, be it a citizen of this country, or a citizen of the world. After spending years with these immigrants and the Latino people, I can say, first hand, that they are far more welcoming than we as a society have been to them. While this video was relatively harmless in nature, Professor Richards makes a good point when referencing the senseless murders of those Latinos in New York.
Truly these immigrants will one day be met with greater respect and equality, as have those who came before them. Yet as fellow Americans, whether within the U.S. or on this continent, should we not be pressing for that day to be tomorrow? And these very poorly educated, hate mongering people who call themselves patriots still see it as their duty to “protect” their fellow Americans from the “evils” that immigrants bring with them. In reality, how were these people so wronged that they feel the need to displace this injustice on a whole population of innocents; immigrants looking for work. Immigrants who, like many citizens of this great nation, just need a stable environment to raise their children in peace.

Anonymous said...

After seeing the picture of the white house and the watermelons out front, I was actually surprised I had not seen something like that before reading Dr. Richard’s blog. Immediately, I found this picture offensive. It seems as if certain people are always poking fun at others, and for no good reason! People who joke that black people like watermelon is nothing like saying that Japanese like sushi or that Koreans like kimchi because as Dr. Richards stated in his blog, the watermelon image has been used to make blacks feel inferior. Sushi and kimchi however, are by and large extremely popular among Japanese and Korean people. Even so, I personally do not like to be compared to identifiable characteristics shared by my own culture. When I was younger, many people assumed that I was a brilliant mathematician and/or scientist because I was Asian. I hated that! I think that one of the many reasons I chose to major in advertising was because it was the furthest thing I could think of away from the math and/or science area.

After viewing both video clips, I feel plain disgust. People make these types of things claiming that they’re funny, but it’s really just to belittle others, something I just don’t get. And underneath it all, I think it’s because people are bitter. But why? I will never understand. Certain Americans have such feelings of hatred towards immigrants when their ancestors were immigrants as well!

I do not know how Mexicans feel in regards to the “Star Spanglish Banner,” but one thing I do know is that if I were a Mexican, I would feel almost ashamed and wonder why people thought these things about Mexicans when they are not true. I think that this song is ridiculous and upon listening to it, have immediately disregarded it as anything of substance. I hope that others feel the same and would not take this song seriously. I have not spoken to any Mexican people about this song or issues discussed in it, but I would like to get their perspective on it. Come to think of it though, I do not know any Mexicans and I don’t know how comfortable I would be asking a random Mexican person. I don’t know how this song and others like it would affect their lives, but I would tell them not to let it affect them. I know plenty of songs, rhymes, stories, etc. that target Chinese people. If I took every one of them to heart, I wouldn’t be able to make it though the day! And yes, sometimes it is funny – because it is true. But then there is the question of when is it or is it ever okay for someone who isn’t of your ethnicity to make fun of your culture?

Anonymous said...

Both of these videos are examples o f comments that most people would think are funny if not directed toward them directly. I feel that like Sam mentioned in the beginning of the blog, many people use the phrase ‘that is offensive’ entirely too loosely. If you are able to think about the things that you say to other people and also if the person saying it is trying to attack you, then it is easier to realize that not everything a person says is an attempt to offend, just a joke in good fun. The first video ‘Barack the Magic Negro’ seems to me to be directed at stereotypical blacks but it is impossible, at this point in time, to make those stereotypes go away. Therefore, I think it is necessary for the people that take offense to this, notice that the race for the presidency is a competition and a lot of times things must be said in order to try and make it a difference in the party’s position.
The second video in regards to the Mexican Americans is something that many people wouldn’t have a problem with because they don’t know many Mexicans. I don’t think I have ever really known an authentic Mexican family that I was able to gain any knowledge from. But just that part in the blog that said that a Mexican family came here and worked hard to be able to get their citizenship and be Americans got me thinking about how differently we treat people we don’t know much about. I actually am in Mexico right now for a wedding and I have been here for a few days now and have already learned so much about their culture and just their way of life. We are at a resort but they have over five thousand employees. They are all extremely hard workers and for such little in return, but they are all doing their work happily. I often just had a presumed idea about Mexicans, hat they come and take our jobs and what not but in actuality many Mexicans will come to America just to have better opportunities and often send money back home, so they will take low paying jobs in order to just help out.
Overall I feel that these comments can be misconstrued and in turn can have negative effects on the American people’s stereotypes of any minority. This is one of the many flaws in the United States but I feel that we are working our way to the goal of total acceptance, although we still have a long way to go. The only way to reach this goal is to try and stop the ignorance of the people and just educate them on different cultures. Maybe if we can do this we will be able to see from other’s point of view and then not be offended by what everyone is saying.

Anonymous said...

In today's society, we need to be careful with everything we say. A joke to us may be offensive to another. In recent news, Miley Cyrus is being accused of "hating" Chinese people because she made a simple gesture that all young kids make. She pulled her eyes into a slanted position, and now people are accusing her of being racist. Honestly, who has not done this? People take things way out of proportion when they think someone has crossed the line. It was clearly a goofy gesture and people are making something out of nothing. I guess the news media needs someone else to attack other than Britney Spears.
The watermelons on The White House lawn is offensive, but stuff like this has been going on forever. When it is regarding a public figure who is a different race, it is blown way out of proportion. For instance, if someone made the same little prank regarding a white person, it would be funny. There is no difference except the fact that someone made a notion about black people eating watermelons and it caught on.
If the United States were not so "politically correct," racism would be a much smaller factor in my opinion. Human beings do things to antagonize other humans. It is only in our nature, and when we know someone is wrong, we seem to want to do it even more. It is only our nature. So, I believe that if we were not so politically correct, everyone, of every type of ethnic background, would get a kick out of it. We have been taught from such a young age that we cannot be politically incorrect. So we watch everything we say because we are afraid to step on someone else's toes. Therefore, when something does slip from our tongue's, we are automatically accused of being racist. For example, I went to a high school that was about 3/4 white and 1/4 African American, and the African American's were from the area, Donora, Pennsylvania, which is not such a good area to live. They are having a problem with gangs and violence in this particular area. But during high school, if the whites even made the slightest gesture of doing something negative to them, they were ready to kick some ass. Even if they bumped into you in the hallway, it was somehow your fault and they would say something derogatory to you. I know this isn't the case in all schools, but it in for mine. It is really sad, because I got this picture in my head as to what they act like, and I am completely and utterly wrong. African American's are some of the nicest and most intelligent people in the U.S..

Anonymous said...

When do we cross the line? This question is always being asked especially by controversial comedians who swear by the motto “If you make fun of one thing, you have to make fun of everything”. I personally cannot lie and say that I’ve never laughed at a joke involving race; but I know when to draw the line. This line is really unclear sometimes since everyone seems to find offense with different things because no one is the same. I feel that if you really have to sit there and think to yourself “Hmm…is it appropriate for me to say this out loud or will I hurt someone’s feelings” then yea…you probably should not say it. Jokes are great and everyone loves them; but it’s not appropriate to deliberately try to hurt someone’s feelings. Many times these kinds of jokes [e.g. the picture of the watermelons in front of the White House and the joke about Mexicans] are completely inappropriate in my eyes. People may say that I am taking these jokes personally especially the Mexican joke because I myself am Hispanic. That is not my main reason for disliking humor such as this. I feel that the line is being crossed because of what Sam has made clear to us. One person’s “harmless” joke can be another person’s motive to hurt someone. Some people take things too literally and can hear jokes such as these and want to take out their frustration or anger on defenseless people who are just victims of a stupid generalization. People get killed for far less, and I say we should not give them any more reasons. I mean seriously, there are a lot of ignorant people in this world and they take stupid jokes like these as proof that their stereotypes and negative thinking towards minority groups are completely legit. Although the vast majority do not have these radical views it is always the dangerous minority [no pun intended] that can do the most damage. As a Hispanic female I myself have had to deal with racism and stupid comments. Regardless of the age old motto “Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me”, words can hurt and they can ignite something much more dangerous. I just feel that the line needs to be drawn if a comment or joke is made to belittle someone or hurt someone. As Sam said about the picture of the watermelons it was a representation of certain people’s belief that black people are inferior and I find it ridiculous. Obama is an extremely capable and intelligent man whom I feel will do great things in the White House and does not deserve to have people labeling him with ignorant stereotypes .

Anonymous said...

I heard the “Magic Negro” song a few months ago and was pretty shocked by it. I guess I wasn’t so much shocked at the fact that someone in this country would make a song like that, because let’s be honest, there are a plenty of satirical Youtube videos out there about George W. Bush and his incompetence. But what I found to be most surprising was what Sam mentioned in the blog article, that Chip Saltsman, who was attempting to become the leader of the Republican National Committee, sent this CD out to all of his Republican associates in a Christmas card. I saw this on the news one night and was pretty mad. A man trying to become the leader of the Republicans, arguably one of the most influential people of the free world, and conduct like this is setting the tone for all of his supporters that not only is it okay to disrespect the other side, but to go beyond that and outright insult a colleague’s race is simply unacceptable in my opinion. The video even references things like “the hood” and “Snoop Dogg.” These are the stereotypes that people, and I’d have to say primarily Republicans, buy into and songs like this simply cement those stereotypes even more into peoples’ brains. I mentioned in our last blog that I didn’t think Martin Luther King’s dream was truly realized yet because Barrack had just been elected to office. He still has a lot of work to do as our leader over the next few years, and I think he’s going to be under the most scrutiny of any President to have ever held office. With songs like this circulating among Republicans before Obama had even really done anything as President, imagine what they will be saying, and singing, when he starts to enact certain laws and policies in the future. All that I’m saying is that Conservatives make up almost half of this country, and if this is the behavior of their top leaders in the United States, well than that is just scary.
In keeping with stereotypes, I just have one thing to say about the fried-chicken issue. Whether you’re white, black, red, yellow, or brown, you have to be out of your damn mind not to enjoy a nice piece of fried chicken. And the fact that it is simply easier to eat with your hands instead of a knife and fork, well I’d say that anyone looks a little more “barbaric” when eating this way. I guess things like this are just proof that people can use something as simple as a piece of food to exert their supposed superiority. That is scary too!

Anonymous said...

How do we know when something goes from just being funny to extremely offensive? I decided to do a little more research to figure this out. I went to youtube.com to try and listen to some more jokes to see if I would be offended even if it didn’t pertain to me. Well, I came across a video that mentioned this: “How do you keep black people from hanging out in your back yard?” And the answer was: “Hang one in the front.” Now, I had listened to a few jokes prior to this one and nothing caught my attention as much as this joke. But why would this one specifically offend me? I am a white Jewish woman; I am not partially black whatsoever, but I was still offended. It was stated in the original blog that, whoever said that they were offended by a comment or picture, really shows that they “feel attacked” or there is “some degree of truth” to what was said. I do not feel personally attacked because I know that when the joke states “blacks” they aren’t talking about me or anyone in my family. But, I still feel hurt inside. I am hurt at the fact that people are making entertainment out of this and that some people honestly find this humorous. What I honestly believe, is that this was similar to a joke that actually related to me.
I have to admit, when I was in middle school, a racist joke was said in my presence and I got angry, a little too angry—probably angrier than I should have, but I felt that I needed to protect myself, as well as anyone who would have been included in the racist joke. The joke was not said to my face, but it was a discussion topic amongst some people I knew who were sitting behind me in the back of the bus. The joke had something to do with Jews and the Holocaust and how they were treated during that time. I had heard many racist jokes throughout my lifetime before this Jewish joke was stated, but nothing had ever made me so furious. I actually got into a fight with the big and tough eighth-grader boy, which I have never done in my life. I felt personally violated and that something needed to be done to teach this kid that you don’t make jokes that could potentially hurt someone else. This was probably a bad idea, because I think talking to this guy may have been a better solution, but at thirteen years old, I wanted to fight him—and I did. I somewhat regret doing this, but then again I don’t. I stood up for how I felt and doing so felt so good. He was not badly injured or anything, but I taught him a lesson. And never again did he mention another racist joke to anyone I knew.

Anonymous said...

So I’ve heard some things like this before, about how blacks are tied to watermelons, and fried chicken (though I’ve no idea where that last one came from). And like any good politically correct and complacent white guy, I was offended. Didn’t know why, I just had this general feeling that there was some sort of inside joke here that was not told in fun. I’m sure comedians generally have a better working knowledge of stereotypes than someone who has grown up in a relatively secluded community, and even I know that racist jokes about the most powerful man in the United States government really crosses a line.
Okay, let me step back for a minute. While racist jokes of any kind are detrimental to our state of interracial relationships, by lumping Obama into the same category now as every other racist joke that’s ever been told, that’s really making a mockery of the presidential office. By saying that this man, even though he has been elected to the most prestigious office in this nation, is still just an apelike black slave who salivates over watermelon… well, what’s that say about the rest of us?
As for me, what I get out of this is that this country in some aspects is just as bad as it was forty years ago. Where it doesn’t matter who you are, or what you do. If you’re black, you’re a dumb n*##_@. Aha, and here we go with another offensive term now. Okay, so I’m getting a little off topic, but in my high school during my senior year we had a huge increase of the number of black kids, mostly from Philly who moved here with their families. One of the students, Shamal, was about as black as you can be. I mean he was dark skinned to the point of blue. And even though he emanated many of the stereotypes portrayed in the youtube video, he was funny. I don’t know if many other kids saw it, they might have just been mad at his disrespectfulness, but there was this one prop, a cane, that he called the “niggerbecool stick”. No lie. Now I will take offense to that word if it is used in a derogatory sense, but the way Shamal just adopted that word for his own use, it was just great. I wouldn’t use the term myself except in private, because I didn’t want to risk offending him, but I thought it was just the best name I’d ever heard for a cane.
Getting back to Barak, I think that not just because he’s the president, but because the joke is aimed just at him and his family, it kind of hits home a little harder. I mean it’s like if a joke were spread out amongst a group of people, it’s more likely to have less effect as it encompasses such a large group that everyone knows that chances are not everyone in that group is going to fall into that category. But in this case, there’s no mistaking the intended target. And that’s hitting America where it hurts. If some foreigner were publicly make fun of our president, you can be sure there’d be mass outrage. Why is it okay for an American to do it?
-Luke

Anonymous said...

Obviously, when it comes to “Crossing the Line,” there is some subjectivity involved. In society there are distinct racial slurs, phrases, jokes, etc. that are to not be uttered or even indulged. Nonetheless, the extent to which these may be taken can vary from person to person. What offends one individual may not offend another. But in the attempt for humanity to be politically correct and “civilized,” we consistently strive to guard our mouths for anything that might be deemed offensive. It is like not wanting a child to touch the hot stove, so you play a game, telling the child that if they cross a certain line in front of a stove something bad will happen to them. One plays on the imagination of a child in order to keep them from ever even getting close to the stove. Of course all analogies fall apart at some point, but the basic idea remains the same. In order to avoid deeply “offending” individuals, there are said boundaries put in place.
Personally, I am more conservative than I am liberal, but that does not mean that I endorse what the Republican leaders are doing. This abuse of the freedom we have to make jokes exists on both sides of the political “divide.” Liberals do the same things to Republicans and vice versa. If McCain were in the White House now, it would be no different. The only difference comes in the fact that we do have an African American as our President now. This is something new for our country, and not many know how to “correctly” approach the race issues.
Of course many would ask, is it really an issue? Now, I am not saying that to have a racially different President is a bad thing at all. In fact, I think it is a very, very good thing. However, that does not mean that people’s habitual patterns of thinking will change. Essentially, this is unchartered territory for America and the same rules that we have continued to abide by for so long should not remain static. But because people are imperfect and unable to really set aside their own prejudices, then things will not really change that much. Race will most likely always be an issue for that very reason - we are imperfect. Naturally, this is a sad thing to say and things obviously should not be this way and I wish they were not. I’m sure that all of us wish that this would change. That is not to say that Obama in the White House has not started the process.
As far as crossing the line goes, though, it is hard to say how far one can really go before doing so. One must always keep in mind their audience and the appropriateness of their words in regard to the situation. This issue is extremely complex and must not be taken lightly although many seem to do so.

Anonymous said...

I can’t really say I get “offended” by too many things. I don’t feel hurt when someone calls me names based on my race or ethnicity. For example, “cracker” or “honkie” has no effect on me whatsoever. Could it be that I feel no relation to what those words mean, or maybe it is because I don’t really know what they mean in the first place? Another example, “kraut” or dego” or “mick” (however they are spelled) don’t really offend my nationality. I could never relate to the people who actually got offended by them and never really got a reason why either. So maybe most people are more sensitive than me, or maybe derogatory words hit closer to home for them than for me. I guess this is the main reason why I can’t understand why people get “offended” by politically incorrect things or other derogatory slurs. Just the other day someone mentioned that what Professor Richards said in class was “offensive” to them and yet it turned out that this particular person had to relation to the so-called offensive statement in the first place. Which brings me to another thought, can you get offended for other people? I can picture myself at a comedy club with a black friend and a comedian cracking a black joke rather on the racist side, I know he would be offended, but would I? Thinking about it I would (and have) felt uncomfortable in a situation where racism comes up while in the company of my black friend and while it’s usually laughed off, very few times would I take offense for him.
I think overall that most stereotypes have been played out and joked about enough to be regarded as a harmless generalization. I doubt black people take offense when someone says something about friend chicken or watermelon. Because most of the time and at least in this case, it’s true, in the back of their mind instead of taking offense they’re just craving KFC. It’s exactly the same with me, when someone stereotypes me for loving CSI or that I put mayonnaise on almost everything, I know it’s true. I watch CSI every Thursday and I can’t eat a sandwich without mayonnaise. Granted these examples are less serious than some others but I like to think that stereotypes are so overplayed that it’s hard to get angry about them. To take into account the example from the blog about Latinos and Mexican Americans, I think it takes a fairly uneducated person to believe that Latinos want to turn this country from an English speaking one into a Spanish speaking one. To conclude, I’d like to recite a famous schoolyard saying, “sticks and stones may break my bones by words will never hurt me.”

Anonymous said...

I think that people today get “offended” way too easily. A joke made about race, regardless of whether its intent was strictly for humorous purposes, is almost guaranteed to offend someone out there. Race is a prevalent issue in today’s world, especially in politics at the time being. And just like all other national issues, especially the highly broadcasted political ones, jokes will be made on their behalf. It is inevitable part of politics. Jokes will be made regarding anything the joker can get his hands on, whether it’s race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, personal history, policies, intelligence, physical appearance, etc. In my opinion, people should always keep that in mind before they get personally offended. It’s just all part of the game.
I am the kind of person that can easily see the humor in things. I do not see jokes and stereotypes as things meant to be taken literally or even seriously. Some might call me naïve, but I think racial jokes are meant to simply bring forth a laugh. Maybe I’m wrong, and maybe these sorts of jokes are wrong, but in my opinion, everyone just needs to relax.
After looking at the photograph of the watermelons on the Whitehouse lawn, the video of “Barack the Magic Negro,” and the video of the “Star Spanglish Banner,” it is clear to see that many would be offended. This, though, would be the case for any type of parody about racial issues. In a world so diverse, there is little one can do without upsetting someone else. And yet although these jokes stab hard at the ever so very touchy racial issue, I do not find them to be meant necessarily as attacks on the black and Mexican community. I personally take them as stupid silly spoofs.
Maybe I do not have the right to tell the nation that we need to relax, because, as a white man, I surely do not know what it’s like to be black or Mexican. But if I had to guess, if I were black or Mexican, the picture and videos in the article would not offend me. I think that I would still consider them as jokes, whether or not I found them funny.
Of course, I cannot condemn people for being offended by such things because I am not in their shoes, but I feel comfortable in asking all those who are easily offended to just sit back and lighten up. Getting offended too easily is rarely a desirable quality; and although my easygoing carefree attitude might seem like a flaw to many, I can say that I know a lot of people would be a lot happier if they would just relax.

Andrew Wible said...

I have no idea where the line is, and I’m not sure anybody does. Maybe Don Rickles had the right idea by just offending everyone equally. If you’re an equal-opportunity offender can you really be called a racist?

As far as the songs go, I’m not going to say I’m offended by them, because I’m a white man, and they don’t really hurt me as a white man. But I definitely find them distasteful and incredibly inappropriate. And as Sam said, pretty friggin’ stupid for anyone with any form of political power to embrace and even forward.

As far as the “Star Spanglish Banner,” there are some pretty stupid lyrics, but at the same time, it could also be spun as saying “Hey, Mexican immigrants are actually doing what this country was founded upon and taking to the streets and rallying.” So while some may not see it like this, I actually kind of see that video as saying the immigrants in the video want freedom so much that they take it upon themselves to help their cause. In essence, they could be seen as the most pure Americans because they’re doing what the same thing the writers of our Declaration of Independence did 250 years ago.

Regarding the photo depicting a watermelon patch in from the White House, I can see why it would be considered offensive, but I have one question for anybody who would laugh at that picture, do you not like watermelon?

Now I understand the negative connotations with the association between black people and watermelon, but who can truly say they don’t like watermelon? It’s sweet, it’s juicy, it’s cool and refreshing. Watermelon is without a doubt one of the best, if not the best, fruits in the world. Screw apples, if you don’t like watermelon, in my mind, you’re just un-American. And let’s take that a step further, there’s also obviously the stereotype that all black people love fried chicken. What the hell’s wrong with loving fried chicken? Fried chicken is one of the most comforting foods known to man. It’s just downright delicious, I love the Colonel’s secret blend of herbs and spices, as do millions of people around the world. Kentucky Fried Chicken has locations in more than 86 countries around the world.

Watermelon and fried chicken transcend race and ethnicity, they’re just good. So while they are used as ways to belittle black people, it actually shows black, white, Hispanic and pretty much every person around the world have a lot more in common than we think. Because who doesn’t love fried chicken, who doesn’t love watermelon? So if you’re going to use those stereotypes as ways to belittle or make fun of black people, just stop and ask yourself these questions: Have I ever enjoyed watermelon? Have I ever enjoyed fried chicken?

Anonymous said...

If the topic is crossing over the line, both videos without question crossed it. While I will agree that the line is, "ever shifting and often unrecognizable" the intent of both videos were to offend. In my opinion, the line is crossed when somebody is intentionally offending another. There is no doubt that this was the case in the two clips that were shown.
I believe it is clips like these that increase the number of "guilty whites" living in our country. Although I would never attack anybody the way Barrack and the entire Mexican race was attacked by the clips, I do feel some guilt because some white men made these films.
I also believe that these are some of the problems that occur with a two party political system. So often as a country we are at a stand still because of the constant bickering between the Democrats and Republicans. I am sure that the movie was created not only with some racist intent, but also because Republicans were bitter over the election. This is not a one way street, as I'm sure there would have been movies created at the expense of John McCain and his age (although much less offensive).
It is appalling to me that somebody in our government not only thought the movie was okay, but decided to actually send it to his supporters. That was actually the most disturbing part in the entire story. There will always be crazy people who take things to far, but for somebody looking to take over the Republican Committee to publicly endorse this song is nothing short of disgraceful. It is impossible to defend endorsing a video like this and I am appalled but not surprised at the little media coverage that it has received. The media needs to take a long look at the coverage being given to things like this as compared to the coverage on useless things.
The Mexican Song also clearly crosses the line. It is amazing how quickly we "Americans" forget that at one point or another we were all foreigners in this country. America is founded on people coming from all different places looking to better themselves. Is it possible that some Mexicans still hold some allegiances to their old country? Of course it is, just like many European immigrants still hold allegiances to their country. It is just amazing to me how quickly we forget that we are all foreigners here. The only people who truly have a claim to this land are Native Americans, and it has been shown again and again how we treat them. We should be grateful that people from Mexico do not feel that entitlement.

Anonymous said...

After reading the entry for this week there are a couple of issues that really got to me. I believe that America is a country that is willing and able to provide opportunity and chance to people from all over the world to make a decent living and support their family. With that being said America is a country that like most other countries has its problems and issues that are very widely debated. Race issues have been a problem in our country from its beginning. I feel that in recent years and with the inauguration of President Obama many of our countries race issues facing blacks and whites are for the most part dying down, if not gone amongst educated and open minded people. There are still a select few groups of people both black and white who continue to make race an issue. However for the most part in my opinion there are rarely incidents or problems that focus primarily on race.
After reading the blog and reflecting on my own beliefs and opinions dealing with racial issues there are several things I gathered from analyzing the white house picture with watermelons in the front. At first when I saw the picture I laughed. Typically a stereotype of black people in our country is that they love watermelon. I assume that various people will analyze this picture in many different ways. When I looked at the picture I laughed because I am familiar with the stereotype of black people liking watermelon. However when I laughed I was by no means laughing in a negative or racist way. In my opinion there are many stereotypes out there about many different races with a good amount of them intended to be comic. I realize there are several stereotypes out there that are directly intended to offend or hurt different racial groups. When looking at the photo of the white house and reading what the caption said I personally didn’t view that as being offensive, whether or not the author and illustrator meant it to be offensive is a different issue in my opinion. I guess what I am trying to say is that stereotypes are always going to be a part of our society but it is up to us as people of this society to accept certain stereotypes as comedy or racism.
With regards to the section of the entry dealing with Mexicans and Spanish speaking people wanting to change our countries primary language to Spanish, I feel that is completely ridiculous. As I mentioned above America is a country founded on the beliefs that we are willing to give anybody a chance to make an honest living and support your family “The American Dream”. I think that is just fine, in many ways having such a diverse group of people in this country is what makes it so great. I also believe that people from other countries should be allowed to come to America and still celebrate their original culture, for instance Mexicans or Africans. The meshing together of different cultures and beliefs is what makes our country so great. What really got to me however was the statement saying that these Spanish speaking people want to change the countries language to Spanish. This is an issue I have debated before and I feel that while it is perfectly acceptable for people to speak other languages and embrace other languages the reality is that our countries language is English and that is the way it should stay.

Anonymous said...

The watermelon joke without a doubt really crossed the line. It was down right uncalled for. First off President Barack Obama is not all black. They don’t even know if he or his family even likes watermelon. The reason the joke is so offensive is because all black people don’t like watermelon. The one’s that do hardly grovel over it like the joke is implying. Also, I know that there are white people and people of other races and cultures that like watermelon. I also know that there are people from other races that absolutely LOVE watermelon more that people think black people love it. This joke just made such a bad stereotype of black people. I mean I’m black and I like watermelon but it’s not my number one thing to eat in the world.
The watermelon joke was supposed to portray that blacks are inferior. People just don’t get it. Making racist jokes are so played out, just like being racist period. There are definitely black people out there that are more educated and well mannered than white people. Everyone in this world is below somebody. Everyone has someone to answer too. There are white people that have to answer to black bosses and there are black people that have to answer to white bosses. Besides the working field, I feel that everyone should be on the same level and everyone else. And if you are mentally inferior to another person it’s because you chose to be. Another thing, how are black people still inferior to white people if the president is half black. If that’s the cases shouldn’t both races be inferior to each other because Barack has the power. President Barack Obama has the power to make whites or blacks or any other race’s life a living hell as long as he is in office.
The republican who made that song Barack the Magic Negro really has issues. If that’s not a racist then I hardly know what one is. Making that song was blatantly saying I hate black people. And like you said the stupid guy decided to send it to his supporters. Oh yeah, that was really, really smart of him…..NOT!!!! That has to be one of the dumbest things I have ever heard of regarding politics. And I guess he thought his black supporter once upon a time would think that song was cool. And even the republicans that are not black, would you really want someone to represent you who would stoop so low and was such a racist. If so then that says so much about you and it is definitely NOT a good look for the republicans. I personally think that people are going to make jokes and that is ok, but know when to draw the line. Have common sense and respect for other people if you like them or not to know when enough is enough. That’s just the adult way of thinking about things.

Anonymous said...

Wow, that’s all I have to say in regards to the first picture. Sure, I chuckled a little due to my own nature and the fact that people around me, regardless of their color tend to laugh at such things too because we find that people are often too silly and easily offended when it comes to racial issues. I also laughed at this just because of some things that my friends have showed me, but at the same time, this is a case of people taking something that is meant to be humorous and plays on stereotypes that are just absurd to begin with and are taking it too far, or offensive. For example, today I was in my English class and we were looking at particular messages that were sent through certain logos. Of course, one just had to come up and that was the Land-O-Lakes Native American woman. Someone decided to say that was racist; well, I disagree. Sometimes stereotypes are made to pose people in a negative image, but sometimes they can also be used to display people in a positive one. In the case of the Land-O-Lakes Lady, it actually depicted an image of a Native woman in a positive manner. When it comes to the stereotype of watermelon, I just laugh at that, and sometimes, even out loud whether to the dismay of myself or others, but that’s just the matter of it. This didn’t offend me near as much as when during the GOP convention, packages of Obama Waffles were handed out with him in a turban. To me, that was just absurd in all ways; I mean, they didn’t even care to look into the fact that he was a Christian, all they cared to look at was his middle name. Granted, that’s a political issue. However, comedians in America and around the world seem to make fun of their own race enough and people tend to laugh at it, however, if you get a comic who usually isn’t black making fun of black people or stereotypes, people tend to be much more hush hush about it. Personally, I enjoy making fun of race and racism because they’re things that aren’t necessarily needed in a post slavery society in America. And yet, people tend to hold onto it so much more than they should. We yell at our children constantly to get an education and to not be a racist, and yet, we can’t even tell those who are older to stop being children, and stop being racist.

Anonymous said...

I am going to start out with agreeing that it is very different being clever than being offensive. I have the most fun when I go out at night with the purpose to drink more than someone and still outsmart them. This is a recent game I have started playing but so far it is going very well. My roommate has joined me and together we team up on people who are just asking to be messed with. We push the limits and so far we have not crossed the line but we have danced on it a few times.
As for the picture of the watermelon field in front of the white house, I didn't even put two and two together until I kept reading and you pointed it out. Then I started laughing hysterically... Those types of pictures can definitely be offensive, but I only see the Obama family being offended and other black people just being like "hey that is not really that funny..." and getting over it. When you talk about being offended based off the idea that it is an attack it isn't what was said, I really like that point of view. I never thought about it like that before but that makes a lot more sense. Your way of wording it backs my point of view up perfectly I just never could put it in words.
Now we are to the videos. I laughed hard at the Obama video I don't care who you are its a political attack not a racist attack and anyone who is offended by that must not have known who George Bush was. These videos exist for almost every famous person and what better person to make fun of than the president of the united states? People love to exercise their freedom of speech and that they can talk trash on the government and not be in trouble for doing it. Back to pushing the line without crossing it- it is human nature to do this.
The Mexican video however is against Mexicans and I can see that as being offensive. The sign that says this is our continent or whatever- obviously my opinion is biased because I am already an American in this county, but what Mexico is not understanding is if we keep letting foreign people into our country, it isn't going to be that great of a place anymore anyway due to over population. Complaining about your flag not being hung in OUR country? Get the *#%! out! If you are going to live with us- and this goes for all races, LEARN OUR LANGUAGE and love our country. Don't live here because its better and still have your bad views on us- join us and do it our way because it is OUR home.

Anonymous said...

They’re many aspects that are factored in with what people will find funny or offensive. No matter how offensive the joke may be, there’s always someone that’ll make a joke out of it. These jokes can be made to get a good laugh or to offend someone personally. One the many factors that makes a joke funny is the person that says the joke. For example, when I’m around my black friends and one of us does something stupid, one of us is bond to say “That nigga stupid as hell man” or “Typical nigga”. Now for me, though I’m black, I’ve never grown up with blacks that use “nigga” without even thinking about it. But since I’m black, I fit with that slur and I’m identified as a “nigga” to other blacks that use the term. Now blacks sometimes use the term nigga to offend other blacks as well, but that’s the point. My point is that it’s seems perfectly okay for blacks to say nigga to each other, or make any type of black joke or slur because that they are one of us. But it goes deeper than that. How come when blacks make fun of whites, its okay? One theory is that blacks make fun of themselves so much that it’s okay for blacks to make jokes about any other race. Another theory is that we somewhat own the right to make fun of whites or other races because we were the ones that were oppressed. I believe it’s seems okay for any race to make fun of whites because I don’t believe whites find anything we say truely offensive. I mean there doesn’t seem to be anything that grinds their gears (other than calling them racists, but the same goes with any other race). I have a bunch of white friends and its easy to make fun of their race, but its tougher to cross the line because they find nothing I say about their race a harmful joke. It’s as if the line is as thick as a brick wall. There’s not much in their history in which you can use to offend them.
Other than that, it really matters who says joke. If its your good friend that’s saying a racial joke to you, most of the time, it wouldn’t hurt you. I have white friends that are really close too me that make fun of black people, and I laugh at the joke. I laugh because I know that they don’t really think like that, thus making the racial joke a “joke”. If it was some random person that came up to me and said a racial joke to me about my race, I’d get upset because I don’t know him. For comedians, you walk in knowing that what the comedian is going to say are jokes, so you’re expected to laugh about your own racial jokes and other racial jokes that don’t correspond to you.

With that said, it all basically depends on who says the joke and how you take it. The thing is that it’s more complicated than that.

Anonymous said...

I feel as though a grey area will always exist between a racial stereotype being a joke and being offensive (see: Michael Richards racial outburst from a couple of years ago). I think it comes down to whether or not the person saying the joke or drawing a picture or making a video like the ones posted on the blog has a malicious intent. Sometimes that is hard to discern because people may actually be satirizing those who actually hold these racist beliefs. Whenever I find myself using racial stereotypes, it is usually in this context. I’m making fun of those who actually believe that different races adhere to certain stereotypes (i.e., black people liking watermelon or fried chicken). This subtle parody is lost on some people, especially those who do not know me very well, and they walk away thinking that I’m a racist. But, this boundary between being offensive and being funny is very difficult to define.
We discussed this briefly in my discussion group as well, and how this issue relates to certain double standards that exist. In our group, a bunch of racist words were written on the chalkboard and we were discussing whether or not these words are acceptable in our everyday vocabulary. The GA that was observing our class raised a good point by saying something like, “It’s weird that I can find these words offensive in certain contexts, like if someone were to say them to me, but then Chris Rock can use them and I find it hilarious.” I tend to agree with this logic. It’s incredibly difficult to know when it’s suitable to engage in racist or ethnocentric behavior, even for the sake of a joke. And I believe we’d only be able to solve this dilemma in one of two ways: 1) If it became entirely socially acceptable to act in this manner or 2) It was never socially acceptable to act this way, even in a humorous fashion. And with the First Amendment firmly in place, I don’t think option number two will come into play anytime soon.
So, until a solution is reached, we’ll just have to continue being careful and attempting not to hurt anyone’s feelings. I’ve never been too fond of walking on eggshells around people, but it seems like that’s what must be done in the super politically correct climate that currently exists in the United States. Although, I think people need to understand that usage of these racist words and ideas cannot be taken out of context. It’s very easy to judge someone who uses these words, but, in the right context, these stereotypes may provide us with a much-needed laugh at a strange human behavior.

Anonymous said...

Although I certainly do not condone the racist behavior of the individuals who made these two pieces, I’m a little bit disgusted by what people are writing on this blog so far as I read through it. I’m not even a Republican- or white, for that matter, and I’m really taken aback by the fact that people are pinning these types of things to the Republican Party. The RACISTS are the ones to blame for racism, NOT the “white man” or the “Republicans” as some people have said or have obviously alluded to. Sam asks and generalizes in his blog entry, “Is this how Republicans are hoping to recapture the black vote?” My question is: Why do people pin this one horrible racist act on the entire Republican Party? The man who created this and the men who endorse it are to blame. If we start to make generalizations about political parties based on a few outlandish individuals, then both parties and all of their supporters are completely screwed. Why isn’t it a big deal when certain Democrats use racial stereotypes against black Republican professionals Condoleezza Rice and Colin Powell? Those democrats are labeled as “racist,” (if that) while Republicans are labeled as “racist Republicans.” Racism is a huge problem in this country, and the people who exhibit racial prejudices deserve to be looked down upon by people in society who know what’s right; we should, however, take a long hard look at ourselves before we point the finger at other people. Take into consideration the unbelievably horrible accounts of racism that have been taking place against Middle Eastern individuals after the attacks on 9/11, or the thousands of restaurants and other businesses that still refuse to provide service for Spanish speaking Americans. Why is the media not having a frenzy over these issues of racism? It’s because we don’t want to believe that working class American citizens are just as guilty of hateful stereotypes.

Anonymous said...

We all know that there is a difference between making a race joke just for some light humor and for making a race joke to deliberately insult that race. It is true, sometimes it is very difficult to draw the line and be able to tell when it is and when it’s not acceptable, or when it’s crossing the limits. Some people of the race take the jokes offensively and others just get a good laugh. People say then that race jokes should not be made in the first place. There are many things that should not be said or done, but we need to realize that this is not a perfect world and that just because certain times some people can get out of hand does not mean that it is all done to hurt a group of people. We were talking about this topic in our discussion group. I said that it really depends on the situation and the context of what is being said. If one has a diverse group of friends who are of different races, then the people of that group can get away with saying such jokes. Another instance when someone can get away with saying a race joke is when they are talking within a group of people in which the there is not a representative of the race that is being joked about. I am not saying that this is right or wrong. All I am saying is that almost everyone has told a race joke or has laughed at one. Many people are just saying it for solely humor purposes and that’s it. Some people take it far like the picture with watermelons outside the White House. The reason why this is not okay is because this has a negative connotation to it. It is associated to how blacks were viewed inferior. If it was not for the inferiority and the apes, this may have still been acceptable. There are different stereotypes within many different races. Some are negative stereotypes, whereas others are positive stereotypes or simply funny. The stereotypes do not define every single person from a particular race. They are only what are commonly seen. I had a group of friends who were of different races in high school. We always made fun of each other’s races in fun and made jokes but for the most part, we never took them seriously. Certain context of race jokes can be offensive. For example, many students complain about having an international TA or professor because they cannot understand what he or she is saying. This is understandable, but making fun of the professor or TA’s accent to his or her face is crossing the line. Certain things should be just said and done using personal judgment. One should not be ignorant or come off to be too cautious to not even talk about or see race. You learn through experiences and soon can make your own judgment on what is wrong and what is acceptable.

Anonymous said...

After reading Dr. Richards’ latest blog entry and listening to the two songs, obviously I feel disappointed. As far as we have come as a society, what with President Obama’s historic election, it is sad to see that even those in powerful positions are not past belittling others. I have heard many jokes about a black man and his family living in the White House, but only from people who are ignorant and uninformed. It means something different when influential people make light of jokes like these.
As for the song about the Mexican Americans, of course it is inappropriate, but nothing that I haven’t heard before. I’ve listened to so many people complain about the number of immigrants living illegally in our country, attempting to change the United States from an English-speaking country to one that is Spanish-speaking. I have to admit, their arguments are pretty persuasive. I didn’t grow up in an area with many Mexican Americans, so when I hear stories about them refusing to learn English, expecting to attain citizen benefits illegally, I don’t know what to think. This is why I feel it is so important to introduce Americans to new perspectives, like in class on Thursday. My boyfriend, who I have heard refer to Middle Easterners as terrorists, is in SOC 119 also. Later on after yesterday’s class, we were talking about the videos we watched and what Dr. Richards lectured about. My boyfriend told me he never thought about it like that and that it was really interesting to see things from a different perspective. I was relieved to hear him say that, and I realized I cannot blame him for having his previous attitude any more than I can blame Iraqis and others for having anti-American feelings. In terms of Mexican Americans, what we saw and discussed in class should be seen and discussed all over the country. If we can open the dialogue to include the perspectives of Mexican Americans and other cultures living here, I think we can get a significant amount of people to rethink their prejudices.
I can only imagine how difficult it must be for people to come to this country for a better life, trying to blend in to an entirely different culture, only to be discriminated against. This is a nation that prides itself on mixing cultures together and creating success by using diversity to its advantage. The attitude that is currently being fostered by so many is the opposite of this mentality. I admit it is difficult for those of us who have not experienced or heard the perspectives of anyone else to begin to think differently. After yesterday’s class, I’m confident that if we can put ourselves in the shoes of other cultures, whether they are living here in the U.S. or across the world, we will begin to change our perspectives. Of course, this requires some effort on our part. This means that the first step is getting more people to actually care about the situation before we can change it.

Anonymous said...

Hmmm, I think that in a rather free and open society like the United States which cherishes freedom of speech and actually lists it as the FIRST amendment of the constitution, the line between random humor and outright insult becomes blurred. Also, in this society poking fun at people especially the elite, the famous and other similarly rich people is a staple. You just have to watch The Soup on the E Network for a confirmation. Anyway a lot of the humor being directed at Barack Obama was in my view predictable and many people have certainly taken shots. Many people indeed poke fun at the size of his ears but what strikes me are the people who poke fun at him with the usual anti-African American litany of stereotypical jokes. This is what baffles me at first because if you look at the previous White House occupant, George Bush, jokes about him were merely based on his bungling qualities, poor English and his screw ups. I cannot recall a joke that negatively stereotyped his English and German heritage (which there are many by the way), or his Texan roots and that can be applied to previous presidents.
Therefore the watermelon patch sketch and the “Barack the Magic Negro” song are just examples of off color humor that crosses the line. They attack the subject in this case Barack Obama but also play on the historical stereotypes that the subject may appear to represent, in this case the African American community. Anti-black jokes are probably the most potent offensive jokes that I have noticed in regard to any anti-anything jokes. Sure all minorities face their fair share of jokes but anti-black jokes generally rile up a lot of emotion and passion. Regarding the “Star Spanglish Banner” I think that is just the usual anti-Mexican/anti-immigrant sentiment that has long existed and its flames have always been fanned by conservatives in Congress and other fringe groups like the Minutemen (what happened to them anyway!) Many people find anti-Mexican sentiment to be quite normal and that is why it has become quite mainstream because people shield it with their ordinary opinions against immigration. The funny thing mentality assumes most Latinos to be immigrants regardless of the fact that many are in fact native born and patriotic citizens of the United States.
Anyway I feel that humor though necessary for a healthy and progressive society should be encouraged, it should not be used as a vestige to portray negative stereotypes about other peoples’ groups, ethnicities, religions, sexuality, etc. because it then results in more often than not unsavory and unmitigated responses such as protests, violence and the like. That is my take on it.

Anonymous said...

I think we “cross over the line” when we criticize others for speaking their mind. This is America, people, and, I love my freedom of speech. I’m not easily offended but I offend others very easily – oh well, at least it isn’t a crime. So what if someone else wants to make racist remarks. You can choose to not partake in them – more power to you. If they offend you, by all means tell them – but keep in mind that it’s their prerogative to speak their mind. I am not a racist, but I found humorous elements in each video. I laughed much harder at the comedy videos of John Kerry and George Bush. Maybe if I had black or Mexican ancestry I would feel more offended, but I don’t.
I live in an area dominated by migrant workers – I was actually astonished when my roommate from Pittsburg couldn’t identify with this. I guess the large influx in my area is due to the mushroom growing industry (after all Kennett Square – the “mushroom capital of the world” – is very close to my hometown). The Mexicans have spread to every job that is either undesirable or doesn’t require speaking English. I myself have several years of work experience in restaurant kitchens; and (in my area) they seem to be dominated by Mexicans. I have never heard anti-American sentiments. I don’t hear them complain about the way they are viewed by society. One friend I made would even say how he loved the United States. He worked 90 hour weeks and sent his paychecks home to his wife and two sons. I never heard him complain or saw him without a smile on his face – later I learned that he had a cocaine habit, perhaps that was a factor – who knows. I see these Mexicans who haven’t “fully” assimilated yet on a daily basis in my hometown. They run the landscaping businesses, they do house service for the telephone company, and they work in the kitchens of every food service business. I don’t mind that they can’t speak English, and I don’t mind that they very well may be sending all of the money they earn out of the country. Perhaps if I saw this as a problem I would identify better with the Mexicans who live in America that have assimilated and do feel persecuted. But I just see it as one more stereotype that easily becomes a way to discriminate or poke fun at. Not all Arabs are terrorists, not all blacks are lazy, not all Germans are Nazis, and not all Irish are drunks. I don’t believe it’s possible to get rid of stereotypes, the most we can do is choose to not support these jokes or comments on a personal level.

Anonymous said...

Crossing the line. When does it happen? It’s hard to tell because that line is invisible and it’s different for each and every person. I believe it’s easier said than done to put yourself in someone else’s shoes and try and imagine what they are thinking or feeling because we all have different views and beliefs. I can’t sit and here and think, “oh if I was Mexican that would really hurt my feelings,” because that too is a generalization, not all Mexicans are going to the view the issue the same way. I do imagine many Mexicans and Mexican Americans have some animosity towards songs like “Star Spanglish Banner,” just as African Americans and blacks have animosity towards songs like “Barack the Magic Negro.” I also think there are probably some number of people from those cultures and others that get quite a kick out songs like this. Personally I don’t enjoy putting others down for my own entertainment, but think that these songs are an attempt at just that, entertainment and humor. I do not think they are an outright attack, but what do I know. Like I said it’s impossible for me to feel what other people feel exactly, I can only imagine. I think this does stray farther over the line than saying something, oh a white guy can’t dance, but not so far over that people should be getting too worked up. Instead of turning the hatred back on itself why don’t we all just take it for what it is and move on. As long as it’s not causing any one serious harm, and who knows, maybe to some it is so offensive it hurts, then don’t laugh with people who create and distribute this kind of thing, but laugh at them for being so closed-minded and move on. Or, better yet, strike up a conversation with them about why they think it’s so funny. I bet a lot the fans of this kind of crap wouldn’t have the brains to come up with a logical answer. Plus, that would cause them to think about what they’re really listening to and what the consequences of those to others might be. Overall this kind of insulting music does nothing but make you look stupid and rude. If I heard this kind of thing coming from someone running for political office I would make it a point to publicly criticize them and expose for what they are, a closed minded looney who definitely should not be leading this country back into the past. Things like this to me generally get more attention than they are worth, and I wish all of us, including the media could focus our attention to more positive things and stop giving close minded racist folks what they want, the spotlight.

Anonymous said...

When do we cross the line?

At what point does something become offensive or hurtful?

I think that it all lies in a person’s intentions to some degree. I don’t see much wrong with people making generalizations in a light hearted manner with the common knowledge that what they are saying is not more than a joke or a half-truth. We can’t take ourselves too seriously. I think you have to be able to laugh at yourself in a way. On the other hand, if a person is intentionally trying to hurt someone then that is clearly crossing the line and not funny in the slightest.

When it comes to the two video clips, Barack the Magic Negro and Star Spanglish Banner, I tried to figure out what intentions were behind the clips. I think its fairly obvious to anyone that even watches these two clips for a mere ten seconds that these videos weren’t made in a light hearted manner. I think it is pretty clear that these videos are meant as attacks against African Americans and Mexican Americans respectively. I think it is clear that these videos should be viewed as narrow minded and simply bogus. They clearly cross the line because the intention behind them is to offend and attack. Whoever made these videos clearly has something against the people they mock.

As far as the picture of the White House goes, I think it could go either way. Personally when I view the picture, I look at it and it comes across as a simple generalization that isn’t meant to offend but instead make the viewer chuckle a little. I don’t know, maybe I’m wrong but I really don’t see much wrong with that. There is nothing inherently wrong with watermelon. Eating it doesn’t really say anything about a person other than food preference. I guess I can understand that it could be offensive because black people have historically been portrayed in a negative light eating watermelon, but to me it just comes across as harmless. When it comes down to it, it’s a joke about people liking a certain fruit. If people in this country are getting severely offended over fruit joke, then we have bigger issues than I thought to worry about.

As far as Chip Saltsman goes, I think that he is a complete tool. How could you think it is alright to send videos that are completely racist to your supporters? It’s this kind of stuff that keeps are country bipartisan and disunited. It’s sad really. Why can’t we all be considerate of each other and work together through compromises to better the country as a whole? I just can’t understand how a guy like Chip Saltsman could be vying for leadership of one of the two main political parties in this nation and have views that agree with the two videos. This country is diverse and we need our leaders to understand that and work for the common good. So far I haven’t seen that out of either party.

Anonymous said...

Although the line between what is offensive and what is not offensive is always being pushed back and forth, I believe the picture of the White House (which now should be called the State House, because there is nothing white about it now except the paint) and the watermelons on the front part of the yard is very offensive. There is nothing humorous about this particular picture; it shows one of the stereotypes which plague black people today (all black people love watermelon,) it also shows the racist side of that person who came up with the idea (most likely a white person.) The thing that also stroke me was the title which stated “No, children, there will be no Easter Egg hunt at the White House this year.” The picture itself was offensive, but the title implies that now there is a new leader, a new black leader, things were going to change and not in a good way. Traditions are going to be broken and the white house is going to go from sophisticated to ghetto, which I think is bogus. Stereotypes have plagued many people, cultures societies, nations, etc, and even though we try not to judge people by them, it is so ingrained in us that as soon as we see someone from a different culture, nation, or society, we make assumptions about them that might not be true or even relate to them because of their believes of principals. Going back to the picture, if say an Irish president was one day elected it would be alright to have the same picture but with bottles of beer and rum in the front yard, or what if another white man gets elected it would be fine to put a couple slaves in the front yard which implies he a racist (the word white people hate the most.) Everything about the picture was offensive and even the title, it shows that the person who came up with the idea has no class and they are still living in the past. With that picture the line was crossed.
Concerning the video “Barack Obama The Magic Negro” it was just sad to hear a black man saying things about another intelligent black man who doesn’t even know him, want to know him, or even care if he exists. First thing is this person can’t sing, not at all, and second he made this video because he is jealous of President Obama. In the video he said that President Obama was not authentic like him and that white people would vote for Obama and not for him because Obama is not from the hood. For one he does not sound like he is from the hood at all, singing and going on being a hater does not sound hood. His song was not nice, it was terrible, and all it showed was a jealous, weak little black man who does not want to see his fellow blacks get ahead in this whit world. This is not even worth listening to; this is how people waste their lives by listening to haters like this.

Anonymous said...

When do we cross the line?

At what point does something become offensive or hurtful?

I think that it all lies in a person’s intentions to some degree. I don’t see much wrong with people making generalizations in a light hearted manner with the common knowledge that what they are saying is not more than a joke or a half-truth. We can’t take ourselves too seriously. I think you have to be able to laugh at yourself in a way. On the other hand, if a person is intentionally trying to hurt someone then that is clearly crossing the line and not funny in the slightest.

When it comes to the two video clips, Barack the Magic Negro and Star Spanglish Banner, I tried to figure out what intentions were behind the clips. I think its fairly obvious to anyone that even watches these two clips for a mere ten seconds that these videos weren’t made in a light hearted manner. I think it is pretty clear that these videos are meant as attacks against African Americans and Mexican Americans respectively. I think it is clear that these videos should be viewed as narrow minded and simply bogus. They clearly cross the line because the intention behind them is to offend and attack. Whoever made these videos clearly has something against the people they mock.

As far as the picture of the White House goes, I think it could go either way. Personally when I view the picture, I look at it and it comes across as a simple generalization that isn’t meant to offend but instead make the viewer chuckle a little. I don’t know, maybe I’m wrong but I really don’t see much wrong with that. There is nothing inherently wrong with watermelon. Eating it doesn’t really say anything about a person other than food preference. I guess I can understand that it could be offensive because black people have historically been portrayed in a negative light eating watermelon, but to me it just comes across as harmless. When it comes down to it, it’s a joke about people liking a certain fruit. If people in this country are getting severely offended over fruit joke, then we have bigger issues than I thought to worry about.

As far as Chip Saltsman goes, I think that he is a complete tool. How could you think it is alright to send videos that are completely racist to your supporters? It’s this kind of stuff that keeps are country bipartisan and disunited. It’s sad really. Why can’t we all be considerate of each other and work together through compromises to better the country as a whole? I just can’t understand how a guy like Chip Saltsman could be vying for leadership of one of the two main political parties in this nation and have views that agree with the two videos. This country is diverse and we need our leaders to understand that and work for the common good. So far I haven’t seen that out of either party.

Anonymous said...

The world has always been a scary place but I do not feel as though any real improvements have been made throughout history. Although there have been ups and downs it is like a continuous cycle that never ends, and gets even worse with increasing technology. Whether or not our particular country is directly involved in a war or not, there is always some type of conflict going on in the world and most of the time we are guaranteed to be involved, even if only indirectly. This is really sad, mostly because it seems like much of this turmoil is coming from a lack of education and understanding. People from different backgrounds really just do not “get” where other people are coming from. Too much emphasis entirely is placed on people’s differences. But how boring would life be if we were all exactly the same? I really wonder what state of mind certain people are in when they make a video like this or write a song degrading another ethnicity. What has caused them to feel such animosity to such a group of people? Was it their own personal experiences or did they inherit such beliefs from their parents or some source of media? Or is it just the fact that some people love to put down others simply to make themselves feel greater or more powerful? From my own life experiences I feel like so many people without opinions of their own take on the views of their parents, without even considering what they really think is right. This is actually pretty ironic because I am pretty sure if they really thought about it they would realize that the views they acquired from their parents might not be things they really believe in. Time and effort needs to be put into informing people of the truth if necessary changes are ever going to be made possible. I cannot believe that with all of the issues the United States is facing right now with other countries that there are American citizens insulting our new leader. If our own country cannot even be united, how are we supposed to come to terms with all the people outside of our borders? I just feel like so much of this should be so obvious, but there are still so many people in the United States today who are racist and hold ignorant views and values. I do not think we can just tell people to think a different way and like a flick of the switch they will do so; however, I do believe that if steps were taken to inform, improvements could slowly be made. Over all though I think these people are out of line. They need to stop imposing their uninformed views upon others and giving our country as a whole the wrong image. Although we are a democracy and therefore have freedom of speech, you eventually get to a certain point where you need to draw the line.

Anonymous said...

This is always a topic that interests me. What does it actually mean to be offended? I personally believe that is something we have made up as our society has been founded and created. You have a choice of whether or not to be offended by the words of someone else. Our culture has twisted it into something that we use as a defense mechanism. Instead of just acknowledging the ignorance of people and moving on with our lives, we insist on making the idea of “being offended” into a huge production. Not that I am the most thick- skinned person or that I never feel attacked, but if we continue to analyze the meaning behind everyone’s words we will continue to be bogged down by these ideas. There are stereotypes and generalizations about all races, if we just acknowledge that they exist and let them be, then maybe we wouldn’t feel so uncomfortable with our differences. There is a song from a musical named Avenue Q. It talks about how “everyone is a little bit racist” and if we’ve just acknowledged all of our world’s stereotypes then maybe we wouldn’t all be so “offended” by every little thing. Perhaps I’m just someone who thinks that it should be easy to just move on with our lives and let things roll off our back. Especially, when everyone makes judgments about one another, whether you are black, white, or brown, you judge people based on their race. As the song says “not big judgments, like who to hire or who to buy a newspaper from, but little judgments…” If you haven’t heard the song you should download it or at least look up the lyrics.
As for the many jokes about Barack Obama, I believe it goes back to something we were talking about in class on Thursday. The many fringe cultures in our nation are always bound to put out videos and media like that. I had already seen the picture of the watermelon before. But it calls into question another video I saw on youtube by Jimmy Kimmel. Who went into barbershops to ask what would and wouldn’t be ok to talk about since our new president was going to be black. Comedians are even thinking about treading lightly when making jokes about Obama. So I guess that goes back to the question of where we draw the line. Sarah Palin was mocked repeatedly because of where she came from and because her accent was different. Should she be offended? Didn’t people laugh at that? Essentially she came from a different culture than most white Americans. We are taught in elementary school that you should never tease anyone, furthermore, you should never tease someone for things about them that they were born with. If we are going to be PC with everything we do then let’s look at it both ways. The Eskimo people and others in Alaska were probably very insulted by the way the media portrayed her accent and her heritage. Just some food for thought.
Here is the link for the Jimmy Kimmel video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LqxEhC9EEg

Anonymous said...

There are several issues that I would like to address. First is what is offensive? I personally don’t think poking fun at Barack Obama should be offensive. I mean we poke fun at other presidents such as George Bush and Bill Clinton, so making fun of this president should not be an issue. However, I did find the watermelon picture offensive. Because this is not just about Obama but rather degrading African-American. However I would like to point out it is ok to make fun of race. I am Asian myself, and I do not find the bad driver and other stereotypes offensive. That’s because they are generally true. General Asian population have not been in the United States of America for a long time, and back in Asian people usually do not drive due to small spaces. So when they get here, they have no experience in driving, so they seem like bad drivers. But eventually this stereotype will be false, and then it would be considered offensive. And it depends on how the stereotype is presented. Like it would be very different if someone said “Asians are bad drivers” and if someone said “it’s an Asian driver, get off the road!” The watermelon is just a fundamental attack on race, and it is unacceptable by my standards. Stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason, that’s because they are generally true. So not all of them are offensive, but some that fundamentally meant to attack and hurt one particular group should not be encouraged.
Like the two songs posted on the blog, the first one I do not think it’s offensive due to it’s making fun of Obama, not really at the black race. The second one is very offensive, because it is a generalization that’s is not true and hurts people. Not all Latino or Mexican sneak across the border, and not all are uneducated. They stay here because they like the United States, while they do hang on to their heritage like all of us do, they want to stay in the country. And because of same type of propaganda song, people will see it and they will misunderstand. Like the Latino that got killed, the killers do not really understand immigration. So misapprehended information will mislead people and eventually costs lost of life.
This reminds me of the class on Thursday, because of misunderstanding we have wars. And same things, because we have these misleading information, we have people killed, for very stupid reason. What they didn’t realize that immigration can be good for the country, and that’s what this country, a melting pot. Who in this country isn’t an immigrant besides the native Americans? So they have no right to think about not allowing immigrants here, because they are immigrants themselves. If we really want to ban immigrants, then everyone should move out of the United Stated and give the land back to Native Americans.

Anonymous said...

I agree that there is a fine line between being humorous and being offensive. Certain people can say racist things and it will be funny, but if another person were to say it it would be racist and they would be personally attacked. For example, the comedian Dave Chappell is known for his racist skits concerning all races. He can talk about pretty much any race and it would be funny. But if someone with more influence had said that, such as a governor, or even a political candidate, they would be flamed for voicing their opinions. I am sure that if Dave Chappell, or someone like him, were to run for an office he would be under a lot of public scrutiny. Why is it okay for certain people to be openly racist, while for others, particularly white people from my experience, it is not okay? What is the difference in the words coming out of their mouths? Nothing. It is the appearance that makes all of the difference. How come a white person can make fun of a white person and it is funny, but when he makes fun of a black person he has crossed the line? I personally feel that all of this stereotype business is unnecessary anyway. By poking fun at the stereotypes of your own and other cultures we can really see how silly stereotypes are in the first place. I mean seriously, not all black people fall into the “I love fried chicken and watermelon” stereotype, and not all Mexicans came to America to steal jobs from Americans and trick them, many were born here in America too. Gullible people who are ignorant enough to take offense to songs such as “Obama the magic negro” and the “star spanglish banner” really need to learn something about other cultures. Not everyone is the same! This is why stereotypes are just ridiculous. Although there are people who fall into “cultural norms” I would say. Such as how many Korean people like to eat kimchi. Well it is a popular dish that is served at every meal in their country. If you go to a Korean restaurant they will give you kimchi whether you asked for it or not. Some people may not like the idea of eating fermented cabbage everyday but it is just something that has been embedded into their culture. Would it be stereotypical to say that Americans like to cook outside when it's hot? Some cultures may think it is strange for everyone to gather to cook meat on a hot day, but it is what Americans do. It is okay to us, it's just something our culture does. Not to say that everyone likes to do it, it's just a cultural norm. So with that being said, I think that everyone needs to get to know people of another culture and realize that stereotypes are bogus. Let's stop placing people into false categories.

Anonymous said...

The most important thing I can say in this journal entry is that those who produce, distribute, watch, or believe these videos are highly ignorant people. Of course, any person, though most likely one with a good sense of humor, could view these videos and get a laugh at them. Laugh in the sense that the subject matter is laughable or plain silly. It’s interesting to hear or watch things such as this just to get a look into the seemingly narrow ideals many people have.
Ignorance is NOT bliss in this case. Not only are these videos ignorant. They are also immature and passive. Right off the bat, I could see that. Perhaps it has something to do with my being a Democrat, but nonetheless, someone felt that their only hope in expressing their “ideals” was through these silly videos, putting down our new President and bashing immigrants.
It sounds like the best solution for progress in our country, eh? We may not all agree, but only in a perfect world would people have the same opinion on every matter. Instead, shouldn’t we agree to disagree on some things when a compromise cannot be met?
In reference to the NYC youths beating and killing immigrants purely for the sake of their title and who they are in reference to ignorant citizens, I believe that this country will not prosper until these various cultural tensions are resolved. As we have said in class, we can condone killing of enemies because we see ourselves as superior to them. An immigrant simply living in this country and trying to find work to feed himself and his family makes him an enemy? It’s outrageous the justifications people can make in their minds to want to harm or end the life of another; one they often do not even know the name of.
It’s easy to forget that we, individually, have our own set of beliefs and values distinct from every other person. I don’t believe that any single individual has the same beliefs about every single concern in their lives. It’s awfully naïve to think that just because you, your family, and your friends believe something, it is the right thing. There are many other ways to go about your life without having to impose on others without hesitation. How dare take a man’s life simply for being from Mexico? Just because you don’t want them in “your country” does not mean that it’s your responsibility to remove them. All Americans need to take a step back from their lives, get over themselves, and consider that, in all honesty, it’s not their business how anyone else chooses to live their lives. Eventually, we will all need to make this enormous step if we ever hope to live in a society that we can deem as fair and welcoming.

Anonymous said...

Some might say that we take ourselves too seriously and should be able to have a sense of humor about ourselves. This may be true when comments and playful teasing is directed at a particular characteristic or behavior that we exhibit personally. However, when such humor is directed at an entire race, it is unacceptable because it becomes a generalization about a group of people intended to create a prejudiced attitude toward that group of people.
If the painting of the White House lawn had apples instead of watermelon because the Obamas happen to be crazy about apples, it would not be offensive but may still be funny to those who know the family well and just how much they love apples. The watermelon connection is particularly offensive because it is making an assumption about the Obamas because they are African American; it brings to mind images of summer heat, sweat, the South, laborers (perhaps slaves) in a field in need of cool, sweet, hydration. To assume that all African Americans love watermelon any more than any other race is ridiculous. To know the pleasure that a watermelon brings after a hard days work in the sun is a gift all races should have the privilege of experiencing.
The fact that the Republican, Chip Saltsman circulated the CD with its racist songs is a sad commentary on his party, The fact that they are playing the race card shows ignorance, bigotry, and an elitist attitude. Making fun of Obama because he has brought people together with a positive message for change is pathetic. As the public consciousness is raised by the intelligence and integrity of our new President, we can count on a second term for him if the Republican National Committee does not evolve beyond its present state of desperate name-calling.
As for the prejudice against Mexicans, I feel extremely outraged. Growing up on an orchard, I know many Mexicans who have helped harvest our crop. These individuals exhibit a commitment to family, an extremely high work ethic, and an eagerness to learn. Most of them are bilingual which makes them a step above many Americans who are limited to only speaking one language. To portray Mexicans as militant and radical is outrageous. To create prejudice because people retain their cultural heritage is sheer ignorance. To spread fear about differences, rather than embracing the importance of accepting and celebrating that we have much to learn from each other is only limiting our experiences and education. The Mexicans are not trying to take over our country. They just want the opportunity to be in a place with endless opportunity. Coming from a country with very limited opportunity they are extremely grateful and desperate to come to the United States to support their families.

Anonymous said...

Honestly I think this is getting ridiculous with the whole Obama thing. I realize that he is in fact our first black, but does that mean that we have to step on eggshells and watch every little thing we say for the next four years or possibly eight. Every president for as long back as I can remember has been made fun of and has been the butt of many, many jokes, why should Obama be any different? I think in general this country has become too politically correct to the point where people are now afraid to say what they want to when they want to.
I understand that some things are offensive to some people and I can see why the picture of the watermelons maybe hurtful to some, but honestly this country is still a country of free speech and even if people say hateful, ignorant things they still have the right to say them. Honestly I hear offensive things everyday just walking around campus and often they are said between friends. From the N word to girls calling each other the B word so I think really the question is how can we claim we are offend by things like this picture when we use words like this in everyday conversation with each other?
My own mother in fact says things to me her disabled child that could be deemed offensive by some people. Often when I ask her to get me something like a drink, since the glasses are kept too high for me to reach she’ll often reply “my god don’t your legs work.” It’s not something I find offensive and it’s not something she says because she feels “attacked” as you claim people do when they say offensive. She says it for a good laugh. However, some people who are disabled may find that offensive and think my mother may not care for the feelings of the disabled, but my mother is one of the biggest if not the biggest of supporters of rights for the disabled. I myself with often make cracks on the disabled calling myself slow, baggage, or even saying I’m a lump on log. This doesn’t mean I’m insecure with myself or ashamed of the fact that I’m handicapped, in fact I’m proud of it. I’ve had someone says something mean or offensive to me everyday, but I don’t get upset by it. I even had a guidance counselor tell me in high school I would never get into Penn State because it wasn’t a school for people like me, but did that offend me or make me angry? No, of course not if I had I may never have applied here and missed out on this amazing experience of being here. I simply took that as her opinion, applied anyway, got in, and now in May I’ll be a graduate of Penn State.
I think the problem is that people are now too afraid to say anything because they are afraid of offending people and being judge, but how are we ever suppose to get a conversation going about race and learn if we’re too afraid to speak. This White House maybe offensive, but it’s at least getting us talking about the issues of race and isn’t that the most important thing? How can that conversation go on if offensive things were never said?

Anonymous said...

“When Do We Cross the Line?” In all actuality, I am glad that this topic has arisen and has been explained to the entire student population in lecture. When discussing race in my recitation class last week, it became quite apparent to me that the students that I sat with in the class did not understand “the crossing the line” aspect when it can to the African American ethnicity. In the first passage of our journal entry it can be drawn that the distinction between making fun of the foods that Japanese, Koreans and Mexicans in comparison to African Americans was another topic itself. It is the not the same saying that Japanese are identified by sushi and that blacks are identified by chicken or watermelon. As stated in the passage preleasing to the question “but by and large those foods are extremely popular in those three cultures and so the generalization works. The difference, and hence why the White House watermelon image is offensive, is that blacks have been historically portrayed as hapless, stupid and apelike while eating watermelon. In other words, the watermelon has been used as a prop to drive home the point that black people are inferior.”
I had an extremely hard time trying to explain this to my fellow peers when questioned “Why is the chicken thing offensive… it is just funny.”
Therefore I believe that we should strive immensely to put our self in the shoes of others, because we will never know what is offensive if we ignore the situations that are at hand. If I had to make a decision on how the Mexican population feels about this parody on the Star Spangled Banner, obviously it would be quite offensive. Just as stated earlier about the food situation, a percentage of people like those foods; so in contrast it is likely that a percentage of the Mexican race feel positive about America, those that feel negative and those that are mingling on the matter at hand. Honestly I cannot say that I have talked to any Mexicans about the issue because I have do not have many close friends of that descent. Just thinking of how I feel when my race is seemingly looked upon as inferior and mocked, I know they are emotionally and highly upset. It is not right for us to be in a country that is intended to be “one” having to deal with blatant racism and segregation. How else could they feel about it? In no way is happy, an acceptable—answer. After hearing this song, my feelings would only change because I feel as though I can relate with this group more than I ever thought possible. In conclusion, I would stress that others including myself learn

Anonymous said...

With regards to the issue of stereotyping people, I feel that it can be in good fun to a certain extent, given the audience and context of the situation, but that is not to say that it is not taken too far too often. When I say that I feel it is okay to a certain extent, I am referring to things like the “this racial group is a fan of this food,” statements like that which are non-degrading. Because really, if you’re taking offense to something like that, which is not meant to demean the character of an individual or a racial group, it is cause for conversation and discussion between different groups of people. If a black comedian gives a standup set about how white people can’t dance, I probably won’t be too offended, because for the most part, they are right. That is not to say that the statement is spot on for all white people, but its kinda true and kinda funny. I think that when it gets to the point of degradation however, then it is inappropriate. If you wouldn’t feel completely comfortable making a racial stereotype to a room filled with that race and as a result not getting your ass kicked, then you should think before you pass it on.
As for the people who pass on racist rhetoric such as Rush, chances are they are not the most cultured of people, which is why they hold onto these racist ideas. Aside from the fact that I feel ignorant views such as the those he projects from his radio booth in Colorado are nothing but cancer to society for which he deserves Gitmo style treatment, quite frankly I feel sorry for those who hold those views, because really, they haven’t had experiences dealing with these groups.
In response to the second video, anyone who feels angst towards are friends from the south who are trying to make a living in the north, and who also enjoy the luxuries of eating out at a restaurant of any caliber or playing a round of golf per se, should probably take a step back and realize why they are able to enjoy these luxuries. One must realize that they are only able to enjoy these things because of the hard work and painstaking hours that Hispanics put in, in large part, because the majority of white people are too lazy to. In my experience working at an exclusive private golf course for 10 years of my life, from the perfectly trimmed greens and fairways to the beautifully prepares dishes were performed largely by those who had come from South of the border. When I asked the course superintendent why the Hispanic workers were always the workers on the early shift, he simply replied, “because I can’t get white workers to do it, they are much lazier.” That in itself I think says something about the work ethic of those some like to so often call ‘lazy’, and unrightfully so.

Anonymous said...

I’d like to think that I have a fairly good sense of humor. I’m sure most people like to think that, but in my case I’m pretty sure its true. That being said I believe that there are instances when certain topics are not in any way appropriate fodder for comedic commentary. While comedians regularly poke fun at racial stereotypes, it is usually in a purely light-hearted manner. There is rarely a feeling of malicious intent behind the jokes. It is a comedian’s job to make us laugh and many Americans find stereotypes funny, even if they are wholly untrue. However, members of the Republican Party are not comedians in any way shape or form. They are politicians and their job is to help improve the lives of those who got them elected. So how does distributing a CD with comedic songs help? Was it meant as a morale booster for the millions of people across the country that are out of work right now. Personally, I think they would rather have their politicians spend their time working to fix the economy than practicing their comedic skills. What’s even more ridiculous is that as the Republican Party is hemorrhaging voters, their politicians are doing nothing to improve their image. Whether they like it or not the United States is becoming increasingly diverse. As such, poking fun at other cultures, treating them as if they are not true Americans, is not a good strategy to win votes. The truth is that when I heard about the song Barack the Magic Negro I laughed. Not because I thought it was funny, because it wasn’t. But because it made the republican party look like a joke. After weathering the storm of criticism regarding Sarah Palin credentials, they were shooting themselves in the foot again. How self-destructive could one political party be. The mere fact that in these terrible economic times, anyone involved in politics found it appropriate to waste their time making jokes is pathetic.
Putting aside the political ramifications, there is no denying the underlying racist sentiment in songs such as Obama the Magic Negro, or the Star Spanglish Banner. The songs aren’t addressing a single stereotype in a humorous way. Rather they make fun of different races as a way of making their own culture feel superior. The entire thing is very third grade and in a perfect world would be beneath any politician or any person for that matter. But this is not a perfect world and even bigoted people get elected if they know how to hide their racism under the veil of humor. Unfortunately for the Republican Party I think that the veil has begun to be lifted.

Anonymous said...

The fact that one of the men attempting to become a leader for the Republican National Committee thought that the “magic negro” video was even remotely amusing is absolutely ridiculous. It is truly frightening how possible it is for people of such poor values are able to get power in this country. I really do not want people like that representing my choices. It is really hard for me to understand how people can be so hateful. To make fun of a president is one thing. In my mind that is completely acceptable. But as people have been saying, Obama hasn’t even had the chance to make any significant decisions yet. He hasn’t been given the opportunity to screw up (like many prior presidents) and already he is the butt of tons of jokes, mostly ones concerning his race. One blogger wrote, “a big reason why so many people are making racist remarks about Barack Obama is because no one really has anything personal to say about him”. While this may be true, does one really have to resort to race? Its pretty pathetic that someone of status has to be made fun of at all. I think the stereotypes used in television and movies are the reinforcing factors for these “offensive” jokes. Yeah, they might give you a cheap laugh, but at what cost? Kids growing up hearing these racial typecasts are most definitely influenced by them. I’ve seen first hand growing up how some kids (white kids in my experience) will spread these hateful jokes. They know that they are racist and wrong and would never approach an African-American with the watermelon-type joke, but for some reason, when in the closure of their group of white friends, they find it funny and seemingly appropriate to share them at the expense of a black student sitting across the room. Considering my best friend my whole life is black, I have always been offended when hearing one of these wise cracks in a group of other kids. I definitely agree that they “drive home the point that black people are inferior”, which is obviously untrue. When thinking of the times before the civil rights movement, I find it hard to comprehend how people believed others of a different race were not equal. But when I listen to these peers, I see that it really is not a myth. It drives me crazy how people can be so two-faced; accepting another race or culture and then again, being blatantly racist. To be honest if someone was to be racist towards me, I would rather have him or her be real and say it to my face than do it behind my back.

Anonymous said...

I think that this behavior first spouted from our want to be able to label things, just like we call the sun the sun, and the moon the moon. Then after we label things, when we find things that we do not like, then we group them into stereotypical categories and experiences. Some people respond with fear, or annoyance, however it is the ones who respond with clever anger that probably create these stereotypes. Of course, a stereotype is only as good as, as well as it is enforced. What we see comes under scrutiny by our own curiosity, like testing out why it is bad to stick a fork in a socket, not closing the container of a drink completely, or eating too much junk food just to test out what the outcome will be and if it will be the same as our lovely parents do tell us. However it is our clever societal want to fit in that can create catchy phrases and stereotypes. Of course, being the cleverest out of the group will bring you the most acceptance, give you better status in your group, and give you a sense of power or leadership. Who among us can really say that we do not seek any sort of recognition for our abilities and strive to be better accepted? I think that these stereotypes have spouted from something that was originally offensive and it just has been accepted because people have had it enforced enough. Rumors spread like wildfire.
I agree that people are too easily offended and play the “offended” card too often. It seems to give people a sense of power, because their voice will be heard. Or they are truly just sick of hearing the same insults over and over again. I despise those who abuse this power, however, for example, responding to everything with “It’s because I am (insert race here).” They are just attention deprived people. I am not sure about you, but to me watermelon is awesome, so is rice and beans, and I like the really spicy curry, so it never really made sense why people are making fun of people for their cultures, they just were raised under different circumstances. However, I know that when little kids argue race is just an easy way to try and offend someone, and there will always be tons of little kids. This does not make any of the racial, ethnic, and potentially offensive slander right, but if you are not willing to have any tolerance to not set a bad image for your race/gender/representation, then you are just going to dig a bigger hole for whatever you represent. Be a bigger person, argue using logic, and be calm, or walk away. Will racism ever subside? I don’t think so, unless we all become part-everything, and that’s a lot of procreation.

Anonymous said...

I can’t say that I know too many Mecixans, but this blog brought up a different point that struck me. We tend to generalize all immigrants from Central America as Mexicans. Where I grew up, in suburban D.C., we had a pretty huge Latino influence (20-25% by census). But, as I recall, the majority of the immigrants were not Mexican. They were El Salvadorian, Ecuadorian, Guatemalan, Cuban, Costa Rican, and I’m sure there was Mexican, too. My point is I feel that video was aimed at ALL the Central American immigrants to this country, but from my experience, the majority of them have NOT been Mexican. It’s just another one of those things this class has brought to light. We sometimes make sweeping generalizations that are mostly true, but to me, this generalization is mostly false. Or if nothing else, this generalization that it’s “the Mexicans that are coming over here and taking our jobs,” etc, etc varies from case to case.
I don’t know how many Mexicans, or any other Central American in this country for that matter, feels about this issue. But I would imagine that they feel the same as any of the other foreign peoples that we have talked about in lecture. Most of the Latino immigrants in the USA are first generation. So they will have strong ties to their homeland and their original culture. One of those ties is the language. They grew up and lived the majority of their lives speaking Spanish, so it’s only natural for that to be their language of choice among friends and family. (This is no different from the countless groups of Asians I see around campus speaking a foreign language—they spent the majority of their lives speaking it, so they choose it when they can). Just like we talked about the Haitians and the Nigerians as desiring to be referred to as “Haitian” or “Nigerian,” that sentiment seems to fade in a generation or two. It wouldn’t surprise me if the children and the grandchildren of these Latino immigrants start to identify predominantly with the English language, more with American culture than their parent’s homeland’s culture, and begin to assimilate into mainstream American culture and society. It just takes time.
That being said, I don’t think everything in that video is untrue, discounting its malicious intentions for a moment. The first generation immigrants probably are more loyal to their home country than the USA, be it Mexico or anywhere else. They might have friends or family that are still back home that they are trying to support—who knows. But I don’t think any of the immigrants harbor any ill-feelings towards America. After all, they came here for a reason. A better life, a better job, more opportunities for their children, who knows. They wouldn’t be coming here in such large numbers if they didn’t hold the values of America in such high regard.

Anonymous said...

In response to the question here of “when we cross the line,” I find that it is extremely common to see examples of stereotypes and generalizations that are made targeting certain races and ethnic groups. With the evolution of technology and the Internet, more instances of stereotyping and ethnic portrayals can be seen by millions around the world. But in determining how far we take these depictions, and the impact that these portrayals have on those that they are describing, I find that it lies with how real these representations are made to look. In the example of the watermelons, it can be said that obviously a picture was altered in order to depict a humorous and stereotypical depiction concerning blacks’ likeness of watermelon. But is this really that offensive? Now there are countless other pictures and videos streaming via the web that portray much more extreme and offensive stereotypes against certain ethnic groups – and those make this one depiction with the watermelons much less offensive.
I showed this photo of the watermelons in front of the White House to several of my black friends, and they all agree that this particular depiction is not offensive at all, but rather it was kind of humorous. But when we talk about all these stereotypes that travel around through the media, where is that point where it becomes too much? Certain stereotypes and generalizations, it can be agreed, are not offensive at all, but quite humorous, but others can be quite insulting and hateful.
However, it is extremely difficult, if not impossible, to something as non-offensive material, because chances are very good that even though it may not be offensive to one person, someone else may feel insulted. So, when do we cross that line? In my opinion, there is no line to cross. There are always going to be people that are offended by something that is aimed at them, as seen in this example of the watermelon picture. The person that designed this photo was clearly targeting blacks and their goal was to exploit the belief and stereotype that black people love to eat watermelon.
Thus, when it comes to questioning “how far is too far?” in terms of expressing a stereotype and making generalizations, there really is no definite answer. Material that is not insulting to one group, though aimed at them, might be seen as hurtful to others. Additionally, it is difficult to gauge what it means to be offensive to someone. A simple photo like the watermelon one could be offensive, but so could a statement that clearly identifies its target and message it is promoting (i.e. Barack the Magic Negro song). As to how offensive each depiction is remains a key determinant in answering the question “how far is too far.”

Anonymous said...

I often think that people worry way too much about being politically correct. Sometimes, you have to understand that someone is making a joke, and that there are no ill intentions meant. However, if someone is making a joke that might be offensive to another race or culture, I feel that they must also be willing to make a joke that pokes fun at their race or culture. However, at times, people clearly cross the line. For example, I think the creators of the image of the white house with the caption "No, children, there will be no Easter Egg hunt at the White House this year,” clearly crossed the line. I do not think that this was an image made with good intentions or that the creators were very light hearted when they made the image. I think that the purpose of the image was to be offensive towards Barack Obama, along with his supporters and other African Americans. I had never really considered what the watermelon stereotype was depicting. While I didn’t think that the stereotype was not offensive, I never really thought that it was also playing upon other stereotypes of black people. I think that Sam made a good point when saying that the watermelon is used as a tool to show that black people are inferior.
On top of the fact that I feel that people should not be using language or ideas that are based in hate or ethnocentrism for comedic purposes, I also feel that this does not help any sort of cause that they are trying to promote. If the people who made this image had some sort of agenda or were trying to criticize Obama, they did not succeed. Instead, they made themselves look like racists and bigots. This follows along with the idea that the Republican Party did not gain anything by spreading around a CD containing songs which racist agendas. Even if the majority of the songs on it were only criticizing liberals and Democrats, the fact that some of the songs insulted Barack Obama because of his race and Mexican Americans invalidates the entire CD. The fact that someone who was vying for the head of the Republican Party would send this to his supporters is absurd. Also, the song about Mexican Americans was inappropriate. While I do see some problems in the fact that on their day of protest, they were waving Mexican flags, I still feel the song crossed the line. I understand that many Mexicans come into this country legally and become citizens. Living in the suburbs of Pittsburgh, I have not really been exposed to many Mexican Americans. I think that people who live closer to the Mexican border experience this issue much more. However, making songs which criticize them will not solve anything. This just makes people look stubborn and unintelligent.

Anonymous said...

In response to “When do we cross the line,” it got me thinking about what really offends people and if some people are just highly sensitive. The dictionary cites offensive as something causing resentful displeasure, or something that is highly irritating. After reading the blog, I thought to myself if I had ever been offended. As a young Jewish woman, I have heard anti-Semitic, and gender biased comments my entire life, but I never really felt so offended that I could not go on with my life. I think words and rude comments have just become a way of life, and often, maybe too often people do not think about the words that they say to each other. For many groups, there will always be offensive comments made and there really isn’t one group in particular that has not faced this type discrimination and prejudice in their lifetime. However, in saying this there are some groups that have faced more racial slurs and discriminations than others. For example, for years African Americans have fought to find a place in society and yet they are at times treated with racial slurs and jokes being made about them do not welcome them.
In response to the watermelon image, I think this and the comments that were associated with it were highly offensive to President Obama and other African Americans around the country. The first issue is that whatever your political affiliations are there should still be respect for the President of this country and his family. Second, I think the watermelon image is disturbing and not even true of what African Americans stand for. I understand that there are foods associated with every ethnicity. Tacos and Mexicans, sushi and Japanese, but the difference is these foods are from their cultures, and watermelon has never had a huge bearing on the African culture. These stereotypes and generalizations just come down to people being ignorant and not really knowing people, so they repeat what they hear without ever really thinking about it.
In discussing the cd that poked fun at liberals and was passed around within conservative circles, I found this really disturbing. As an avid lover of politics, I found this distasteful that the Republicans would even feel the need to be involved in this type of behavior. I think as leaders of this country they need to act in a way that is appropriate for society.
In discussing Mexican immigrants, America is a country full of immigrants and they have the right to do what they want. This country was built on the lives of immigrants and if they want to keep part of their culture and traditions with them they should be able to. However, in saying this there is still tradition and culture that should be followed when in America.

Bradley Hershon said...

I believe that the line between humor and offensive behavior is a fine one at that. I think it all comes down to the intent of the source and the situation in which it is said. I don’t think we can fully analyze whether the illustration with the watermelons was created in “the spirit of good, healthy laugh.” It’s hard to judge the person’s intent without knowing who the person really is. It would not have surprised me if an illustration like this would have been created by writers on Chappelle’s Show when that show was on air. I’ve seen things on Chappelle’s Show, South Park, Family Guy and many other shows that are certainly more offensive than this illustration. Clearly those shows offended a lot of people but had the intent of humor, not hate. We know this because we know the people who make the shows and we believe we know what type of people they are. They don’t have a past history of racist and prejudice activities. If Mel Gibson made similar jokes and comments he would get ostracized because he has a past of saying racist and anti-semitic things to others. When Rush Limbaugh promotes songs like “Barack the Magic Negro” on his radio show we view him as being racist because he has a long past of being such. There is also a double standard when it comes to jokes regarding all races, religions and cultures. It’s alright for Jews to make fun of Jews. It’s alright for blacks to make fun of blacks. At least that’s the way society looks at it. If a black radio host called the Rutgers women’s basketball players “nappy-headed hoes” instead of an old white guy like Don Imus then the outcry from the black community wouldn’t have been nearly is as great as it was. It also depends on what platform you are speaking from and in what context of what you say. Stand-up comedians have a much greater leeway when making what in other scenarios would be considered offensive jokes. This is true because we know that their intent is to make us laugh and that’s it. However, there is a limit to what certain comedians can say depending on their race or religion. Dave Chappelle, who I find very funny, can say things that even a fellow comedian like Jon Stewart can’t because Stewart is white. Jon Stewart would not be able to play a sketch like the “Black White Supremacist,” a sketch from the first ever episode of Chappelle’s Show, on The Daily Show. It’s unfortunate that there is a double standard in this country and pretty much throughout the entire world. I’m not saying that people should be allowed to say anything. What I am saying is that some people are allowed to use and make fun of certain stereotypes, why not everyone else?

Anonymous said...

I don’t really get offended by almost anything, and treat those videos as exactly what they are: political satire aimed to piss people off. In all honesty they made me laugh, but at the same time I don’t think people in a position of power or authority should be going around showing these off like they are some kind of campaign flyer, making fun of your opponents isn’t really the best way to go about winning an election. I believe that the person that this video was probably intended to offend the most, Barack Obama, most likely couldn’t care less about it. He’s a smart man, smart enough to know that there was no way in hell he would get through this election without being the target of racist jokes and remarks, and look what happened, he won. I pretty much agree with Sam on the whole topic of what it means for something to be “offensive”, I think people take this stuff far too seriously, when really they should just see it for the joke that it is. As for the video poking fun at Mexican Americans, I think that people who take a something like that as an excuse to go out and commit hate crimes and kill people need to have their head examined, and that there is no way the fault should be put on the people who created the video, because like I said about the Obama video previously, its ridiculous to get worked up over something so silly. If everyone went out and killed someone every time they disagreed with a youtube video the world would be a pretty screwed up place right now. Stereotypes like the one mentioned in regards to the watermelon white house picture are something else that I’m baffled by. How can people be so offended by them? Stereotypes aren’t something that were just made up out of the blue by someone with nothing better to do, they are a generalization that came about because they are true about a significant portion of a group of people. I mean when the content of the stereotype itself is offensive, such as when African Americans are referred to as “poor” or “lazy”, I can completely understand the cause for anger. But watermelon? Really? Why would anyone be offended by that? If someone walked up to me and said something like: “Haha, you like pizza!”, I couldn’t care less. Maybe I’m missing the point, or maybe people are just too damn sensitive these days, but really I find the whole concept ridiculous. I hope one day we live in a world where people aren’t offended by random stereotypes, and care more about things that actually matter.

Kirsten Westermann said...

I am actually very glad you brought this picture and these songs to our attention. "When do we cross over the line?" brings up the fact that there is definatley a line. In the past couple of years there have been way to many comments, opinions, stupid songs/articles etc where people feel the need to go way too far. Don't get me wrong Im all for saying what you feel but honeslty in this day and age you have to at least try and be sensitive and censor yourself when need be.
Furthermore, I am starting to resent all of the "black:" jokes and puns towards our President. I'm not even black and Im pissed about it. What year is is 1950? No, we need to move on and focus on substance. If he proves to be a good leader then that's all that should matter. I mean at least give him the chance, Bush was a complete idiot this is a given fact. Pres. Barack could turn out to be a total waste and full of crap but at least it will be based on that and not just because he's black.
The songs pertaining to the President and the latin americans are obviously written by a closed minded moron. Who has that much time to harass another race.
The fact that the latin american immigrants dont usually feel the need to learn english is there own business. When you really look at it the things they must have been through just to get to the US is more than majority of the country has done for the freedom we recieve on a daily basis. If it's not you or isn't directly effecting you in a bad way then why would you care whether or not they speak englsih. Yes, it will make things go a little slower if you have to talk with these people but its a small effort in comparison to the sacrifices they have made to be a part of this country.
It makes me sick to think that these are the kinds of aspects of our society that the rest of the world see's. What message are we sending? This is the land of the free and the home of the insensitive assholes who force you to convert to our selfish way of living? You must speak english and completley shed yourself of any culture you may have come with? Its really pathetic.
What needs to happen is that everyone needs to be understanding because we all are derived from some sort of immigrant ancestry. What I worry about is what racial group is next? Will we exclude everyone in this racial hazing or will it end when we realize we have run our of groups to harass?

Anonymous said...

When DON’T we cross over the line?
We’re supposed to be a nation that prides ourselves on achieving the “american dream” and doing so while in the face of diversity. We are the melting pot nation of the world, yet we have taken a long time to get anywhere near the goal of equality for all and achieving the impossible. We’ve been through slavery, racism, women’s suffrage, and the list goes on and on. Even when we were going through the whole primaries and the election, all people were talking about was Obama’s race-not what he was promoting and standing for, what he was wanting to change and fix. Our focus wasn’t where it should have been-our perspectives needed a check.

Cheap jabs at groups of people, races, genders happen all the time and we play it off as a joke or “come on man-you know I was just kidding”, but do we? There is something in us that deep down hears these stereotypes, racist jokes, and demeaning words on a daily basis and begin to believe it, though we would never admit it. How many times have I been called a “ginger” and pretended not to care? Countless times.

One thing that Sam mentioned that I found interesting is saying that when we get offended, we often didn’t really know why-well I can tell you why I think most of us get offended. I’m hurt-when someone calls me a ginger, they may say it not meaning any harsh feelings, but where did the term come from in the first place? It was meant to make anyone with red hair feel bad about themselves, feel inferior, like there was something wrong with us/them for something we had no control over and when I hear that term I may play it off as fine but I’m really thinking “I wish my hair was NORMAL, I wish it was brown”. So while they may not mean any harm, they cause me to strive for something I actually never strive to care about any other time in my life: normality. My friends and I accept each other for the dorks that we are and when I do something not so “cool” or “normal” they either join in or laugh with the appreciative thought that I’m their friend and vice-versa.

Where do we get off making these stereotypes and quoting them on a daily basis, laughing it off and going on with our day? Where do we get off trying to, most likely without realizing it, strive to bring others down, to make them crave normality? Who do WE think we are?
-j.swerdon

Anonymous said...

Many times people say things that are insulting in more ways than one without even realizing it. As a white male, this most often happens to me when someone insults my intelligence by asking something patronizing because I look young, or simply asking/informing me of something that I would consider to be beyond blatantly obvious. Most of the time, however, the offender is not intentionally calling me stupid, just reaffirming his or her own beliefs or confirming some bit of information about what they are asking about. I think that this is particularly interesting because I don't know that I've ever been stereotyped or made the subject of crude humor in such a way as to offend me. Naturally, I realize this is because of being a middle class white male. Additionally, what amazes me the most is how often I do hear the phrase "that offends me" with no real distinction about why.
Ironically enough, the same racially offensive material that gets laughter from those that its not directed at usually just annoys me. I can't say that I've ever been offended myself, because there is no real reason to be; instead, I recognize how much ignorance and indifference it takes to create/distribute material like these two examples, and attribute that to their creators. Most of the time, it turns out that the people who perpetrate this kind of material are either targeting a specific group of people whose opinions are similar to their own. What I continue to struggle to understand, is why people feel like they need to continue to persuade those who already think in a similar manner to themselves. I know this is a stretch from the original topic, but I can't help letting my mind wonder here and pose this question: What is the point of creating material (of any medium) that appeals to those who think in a similar manner to the creator? We see this all the time, not only in the examples posted, but in articles/magazines/commercials. I mean, for Christ's sake, I have yet to hear a legitimate validation for the party convention's surrounding an election year. Every year its the same campy bullshit: one party appealing with all of its hearts to those voters/members who clearly are already voting in one direction, and have actively participated in the entire process.
Ultimately, I take just as much offense to being subjected to the kind of complete garbage that goes on during party conventions as I do to any racial epitaph. I mean really, you want to talk about insulting, just listen to some of the things these people say about the other party, and watch it decay into slinging insults and calling one another liars.
A digression I know, but just food for thought.

Anonymous said...

Well first off, I didn’t even know there was a watermelon stereotype for black people. I think seeing an image like that is definitely “offensive” if you are a black person though. However, if I were Barack Obama or his family I would not necessarily take an image like that to heart. I think there are people out there that create these images to cause controversy and to try and spark humor but only because that is their job. We spoke about this in our discussion group this week. We spoke about cartoons and how a lot of times they can be offensive, like images of Jesus holding weapons or other images about Barack Obama that are seen as rude and insulting. I personally don’t think people should get offended by these images though because that is the cartoonist’s job. They draw controversial things to get a rise out of people because the more interesting their cartoons are, the more profit they make. As long as you are confident with what you stand for and what you believe in, you should not let one persons joke offend you. Also, in the blog it mentions how taking “offense” usually means that the person taking offense believes that the attacker sees some truth in their statement. This is exactly what I’m saying about how sometimes it is just people’s jobs to create humorous images or images that cause controversy, they don’t necessarily have to believe there is truth in the image.
I think it is absolutely awful to have that song about Barack Obama but then to put it on a CD with other hurtful songs about Liberals and hand them out to the public? That is just stooping down to a new level. That only makes the Republicans seems like racist jerks. Many may find that funny and like I said earlier, some people put out those songs because it’s there job or just for harmless humor, but for the Republicans to then take it and give it out to people is crossing the line.
Regarding the video made about Mexicans wanting to take over America, I really can’t take that too seriously. Then again, I’m not Mexican so I guess if I were I would see it in a different light. I think stuff like this is completely blown out of proportion though. Mexicans are not trying to take over our country and trying to change the language from English to Spanish. Mexicans are not unintelligent, they know how powerful America is and would never think that they could “take it over”. As far as having one of my kids room with a Mexican in the future, I would not mind at all. I think there could be a potential culture block between them but that could be a good thing. I think Americans should and can afford to branch out and experience other cultures.

Anonymous said...

First off, I want to say that I have never heard those dongs before. Second, I want to say that it makes me feel no difference in culture. For me its simple, you could be of any race, color, origin, religion, sex, whatever, and it wouldn’t matter. What DOES matter though is one thing…RESPECT!!! I have a very big problem with disrespect, whether towards me or others. What I am talking about isn’t a song, a style, etc. What I am talking about has to do with attitude and character. I think everyone is a good person when I first meet them, that’s who I am. Like I said, I don’t care where you come from, I like everyone. The problem comes in when you think for one second that you are Gods gift to the world. Now I say that lightly, but when you think it is ok to lie, cheat, steal, etc because it is you “right” to do so, that’s when I have problem.

I look at those two videos and just see a video. I don’t see ignorance or don’t see hatred. I see someone who thought it may be funny to create that video. Why are we as a society so adamant about being politically correct? I’m not saying we should go around and just start cussing at people, but I’m just saying when did it become a problem to say the word secretary or sex change? I was looking at a news article and they made a big fuss about sex change, the proper term is now “gender re-assignment”. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?? We as a society are too focused on other people’s feelings and less on what is. This is our problem. When videos such as those two come into existence, just let them go. They cause no harm to anyone nor do they insinuate it. I’m sick and tired of hearing about these “wrong” words or these “wrong” ideas. Who put the media in charge of telling me what’s right and wrong?

As for this idea of “White America”, I have a couple things to say about that. When I hear anyone talk about how much better they are of another it springs the questions…How? How are you better? I never get a real answer. If there are people out there who still think this is a “WHITE” and only “WHITE” society, all they need to do is turn on the TV. The leader of your country, the country you live, work, breathe in is not white. So now, tell me how you are better? I am amused every time and I don’t think its going to stop. Being “offensive” is a personal response to something that you were brought up with. Most of the time, it is something that your family had been brought up with or what the media announced as bad. Make your own opinions and have reasons. Don’t just follow the crowd, be your own person and make your own decisions.

Anonymous said...

The segment that Dr. Richards wrote was sort of concerning stereotypes and generalizations. We actually talked about this somewhat in my discussion group this week. Many people are totally against stereotypes and making fun of different races and such. I personally agree with Dr. Richards on that obviously these generalizations are somewhat true which is why they were brought up. The thing with them is that what hurts people really is what context they bring up along with them. This includes the history and other details the generalizations are referring to.
I am Indian subcontinent descent, which means my parents from born in India. So therefore I am Indian, not Native American, a big misconception which is not a big deal to me. However, people make generalizations about me and my race all the time including how we own gas stations, drive cabs, are good at math, and are terrorists. A lot of these are true somewhat which is why they have been brought up. That is absolutely fine with me since some Indians are indeed terrorists and do in fact gas stations. If the purpose of them telling me was to be for humor I do not care at all what so much. Nevertheless, if there are underlying tones degrading my race I might have some thing to say, but again others are allowed to have their opinions. Basically what I am trying to say is that I think all races should not take everything so personally. Some people are just stupid out there, so let them be stupid and ignorant. Who really cares? Just keep living your life and move on.
Now on to the thing that Dr. Richards was talking about concerning the Mexicans and how the song was saying derogatory things against them and the immigration issue. I am personally all for illegal immigration since it helps out businesses and our economies. Furthermore, it helps out those people as well get a new life. Americans that are against usually do not understand the implications and effects it has on them personally. If I were a Mexican, I probably would be hurt by this and probably hate America and its citizens because they are stupid. That song is uncalled for, but again I think people have the right to do it. Mexicans just need to take it for what it is and move on, even though I completely disagree with it. Even my race was part of the immigration reform but no one actually talks about us. I know how it feels, or at least I think I do. The United States is supposed to be a haven for people, but I guess times have changed and people just need to move on. For the people of Mexican descent, they just need to take things so harshly.

Anonymous said...

Americans have been crossing over the line for decades and maybe even centuries. I’m not even really sure what this “line” is exactly, but in my own words, I guess I’d have to say it’s the point of being inappropriate and ignorant.
The Star Spanglish Banner video actually offended me and I’m a white woman. I don’t necessarily believe in illegal immigration – I think people should become American citizens just like everyone else, but saying that Mexicans are trying to overthrow the US is bogus. In my mind, the only thing Mexicans want to do is create a better life for themselves and their families. If the US didn’t make it so difficult to become a citizen, we wouldn’t have as many illegal immigrants as we do. People tend to forget that most of our ancestors were immigrants trying to make a better life for themselves and their families, too. If it wasn’t for them we wouldn’t be here. The video did just what I described crossing over the line as… inappropriate and ignorant. Who is to say what the intentions of struggling immigrants are?
Obviously, I don’t think crossing this line is right, but what could you really expect when a black man is elected into office? You think those self-proclaimed comedians are going to sit back and watch the show? Yeah right…
If Hillary Clinton or a Japanese man or woman was elected into office instead of Obama, critics would be jumping out of their chairs just as quickly recording songs mocking women or drawing California rolls on the lawn of the White House. Obviously, this is all politically incorrect and outright stupid, especially for politicians to be advocating, but it’s reality. Americans, for the most part, are ignorant and find stupidity humorous.
To call all of these things offensive, though, I would have to reconsider. Like Richards said, saying black people love watermelon is the same as saying Japanese love sushi and Mexicans love hot peppers. Well, I’m Irish and we all know what we’re supposed to love. Potatoes and whiskey. I like the two, sure, but I don’t sit around all day eating potatoes and washing them down with a fifth of whiskey. And I’m pretty certain that black people don’t sit around all day eating watermelon; at least my black friends don’t.
I’d agree that these jokes are stupid, but if someone said you like whiskey and potatoes because you’re Irish, I would not find that offensive in any way. In fact, I’d probably laugh and start craving my Dad’s famous mashed potatoes and a stiff drink.

Anonymous said...

Especially in today’s world it is so hard to know where the line is and when it’s being crossed. It is so easy to get away with so much but it is sometimes hard to judge when you have reached that breaking point and someone is going to be offended by a remark you did not mean to be offensive. I had not seen the white house and watermelon picture before this blog and while I can understand how some may find it offensive, I found it amusing. But that’s true nearly everything, right? What some may find offensive and crossing the line, others think is funny and acceptable. I understand though that it also depends on whether the joke it being directed at you or not. And while this joke is not directed at me, I also feel though that my conscious usually knows when something is being taken too far. And while some may feel that no jokes are acceptable if they are making fun of someone else, I am able to laugh at jokes directed towards me and the color of my skin because I think that being able to laugh at your self and your quirkiness is part of life.
The song about Obama is a different story though. Some people don’t know when to stop and when the line is being crossed. And as I stated before, while the line may be hard to see, I think that many people know when they are getting near that line and I cant imagine the writer of this song did not sense that. The fact that other politicians were sending this to his supporters was shocking. One would think that someone in such a position would know better than that but people in all positions made bad calls now and then.
The star spanglish banner was also another shocking thing to hear. It is amazing to hear how small minded people are. People are here because we have a great country based on freedom and people want to be here and take advantage of the great things we have to offer. We should be honored to know that we live in such a great place that people would give almost anything to be here. That we provide people with opportunity. And although I have never talked to a Mexican on this issue, I cannot imagine that they do not want to learn the language of this country so that they are able to get ahead in this country and succeed. It is also so frustrating to hear people say that they cannot stand to hear people speak other languages in this country, it is an amazing thing to me to know that people from so many different places want to be in the place that we just happened to be born in by chance. We should be patient and accepting of these people that wish they had been given the same opportunities that were placed in our laps.

Anonymous said...

I don’t think that the watermelon represents blacks being inferior; I just feel that it is a stereotype that black people like watermelons and it should not be taken offensively. While I feel that many people take things too seriously, sometimes lines are crossed and people do get hurt. Sometimes people keep pushing the line on offensive for fun until they offend someone. People do this just to anger others; the whole point of them making rude comments is to offend people. I think that this scenario is common in places where there is not much diversity and general dislike of cultures. In situations like this, it just gets ugly quick because the person or people being attacked are usually defensive. They retaliate back with worse words and these stereotypes and vulgar terms toward each other then have more meaning behind them because of such instances. I feel that this is not close to the majority though, and that large majority of the time these things are done in good fun. Cultures and people have differences and as long as people are different they will make fun of each other for things they are not that is just how it is. The stereotypes that stick stick because people fit them.
While I didn’t find the picture offensive at all I thought the two videos both were offensive. The first video with Obama “Barack the Magic Negro” wasn’t too offensive but definitely worse than the picture of the watermelons. Barack’s blackness was questioned because he isn’t 100% authentically black, and doesn’t like Snoop Dog and is not from the hood. The second video “Star Spanglish Banner” was pretty rude. Recently the United States has had much hate on immigration, specifically Mexicans. I don’t know why all of the sudden everyone hates Mexicans, but since the economy has gotten worse and Mexicans are taking many jobs everyone has started hating this culture even more. The culture themselves work very hard and for cheap pay, but unlike other industries where the United States exploits labor, the Mexicans are working here in our country. Everyday people are seeing more and more Mexicans taking jobs in the United States where when they go to Wal-Mart for example, they don’t see the people who were paid to make the items on the shelves they just see; oh everything is so cheap here. I feel the main reason that the United States dislikes Mexicans is because they don’t need to think about how immigration is hurting our economy; they see if first hand, nothing is hidden, you don’t need to prove anything it is all right there in front of them. Both videos were offensive but still nothing too terrible. People need to stop being so uptight and take things a little less serious, laugh a little people.

Anonymous said...

In response to the blog titled, “When Do We Cross Over the Line,” I feel that the image presented with the watermelons on the White House lawn is extremely offensive. Like Sam says, showing the watermelons in reference to a black man in office is much different than saying every Japanese person enjoys sushi or any other stereotype. This “political cartoon” is degrading because the reference to black people loving watermelon has a negative connotation in our society. Obama is a man who has bridged many racial divides. And even more than that, he has looked past color, and onto social standing and worrying about the people who need help the most, regardless of how they look.
This cartoon was probably supposed to be comical and provoke a laugh. However, with the current approval rating of the president(over 70% I believe), I don’t understand what the artist is trying to accomplish. There will always be critics, but if you are going to be critical, attack the man’s policies not his racial background. I’m sure that a man in a position like President Obama has heard and seen countless jokes trying to demoralize him from doing his job. However, I believe that this man is above and beyond all of the pettiness that people try to throw at him.
Racism and prejudice is definitely still alive in our culture, as evidenced by the images and clips shown in this blog. People still do cross that line, because rather than looking at someone and seeing them simply as a human being, they look at their skin color, physical features, and social standing. People still do pass judgment on others without knowing an ounce about them or their personality.
I appreciate the critics out there. They keep people, especially politicians, as honest as they can be. However, I only appreciate these critics when they are saying something meaningful or speaking out for the good of the people around them. There is absolutely no need to draw a cartoon like the one shown in this blog, because it simply does not accomplish anything besides degrading a particular individual. An individual who has given everything for the good of the country that this artist probably lives in.
The worst thing about this cartoon and these video clips is that while they are designed to poke fun at simply the people they target, they are offending countless others along the way. People do not realize that any small action can affect others in a way they never thought possible. My best friend is black and I know that he finds watermelon or fried chicken references extremely offensive. There are times when people he barely even knows will make a dumb comment like that, and while he plays it off and stands up to be the better person, I can still tell he is hurt by it. People, all over the world, need to start getting to the core of people, and then make a judgment of them. If we can start doing this, I believe we can start breaking down this line.

Anonymous said...

The watermelon joke is completely unnecessary and irrelevant. It is not political, satirizing any recent events or concerns of the public. It is merely mocking President Obama’s race. If I were president (this is me fantasizing now) and the lawn was covered with bagels to mock my religion, would it be as funny? The cartoon is just feeding into stereotypes, trying to further a racial divide.
Cartoons can be offensive, fine; historically, political cartoons were satirical, subversive and thought provoking. The artists could take liberties and say things that more serious commentators could not, due to the nature of the work. Due to the nature of their work, satirists, comedians, and cartoonists can still thrive in some countries where citizens have never dreamt of freedom of speech. Similarly, cartoonists are usually protects from libel suits in the United States.
Humor does not translate, does not make sense to everyone. It cannot be slanderous. Stephen Colbert was asked to speak before President George W. Bush at the White House Correspondents’ Association dinner in 2006. Those who invited him did not anticipate that he would skewer the president because they did not understand the nature of his program. They actually thought that he was a conservative commentator / comedian.
All of that said: we have freedom of speech in this country, and the anti-Mexican video did not convert me to the director’s views; rather, it made me sympathetic to Mexicans. The “Negro” video was ignorant and stupid. Those videos play to people who already agree with them. If they inspire hatred, I can only imagine that it is only fueling a feeling already in existence, not informing and igniting recruits. For all of the anti-Obama videos out there, I am sure that there are enough to combat this stupidity. He is, as the video informs us, “over-exposed.”
Should idiots offend us? No. We should pity them, I feel. They were born with half a brain and not afforded an education. They are so bored and so angry that they make stupid videos online because they cannot find anyone around them who agrees with them. (No, I am not trying to offend YouTubers everywhere… just the neo-Nazis, racists, and Grey’s Anatomy addicts). We believe what we believe and do not have to watch those videos if we do not want to, and if those people are in our classes, then we can practice our diplomacy / debate skills. President Bartlet on the West Wing said (probably quoting someone else) that people should surround themselves with people who are smarter than they are, and the really smart people of the world should surround themselves with people who disagree with them. Words (and pictures) are words (and pictures). They hurt, but they are no more than that.

Anonymous said...

My initial reaction on the topic of “crossing the line” is that to make the determination on racial jokes you need to consider more than their content. For instance, the relationship between the person saying it and their audience or how it is said. I could continue in this line of argument and make the case that being able to laugh at things is the first step in bringing races together. In fact for a long time I have used Dave Chappelle and the way he makes light of issues in America as an example. I wouldn’t be alone either as many use Chappelle’s ability to make us laugh as a sign that this is an acceptable way of discussing these matters. I’m beginning to think that maybe the issue is not that simple. Even Chappelle sometimes views his humor as taking it too far.
In one of his more famous skits, Chappelle creates a fake sitcom that is set in the 50’s. As you might expect the show is centered on a middle class family in all of its white suburban glory. The only catch is that their last name is “Niggar”. The juxtaposition between the ideal white family and the most reviled word in our culture may be a stroke of comedic genius. The head of the Niggar family is late on a bill, a nephew is born with “those trademark Niggar lips”, their son sleeps too late making him a “lazy Niggar”. The skit was wildly popular and I can remember talking about it with friends after it aired. In an interview Chappelle was asked about the skit and he gave a response that I was not ready for. In his own family he took a great deal of heat for throwing around a term that carried such weight. His sister felt that it was a cheap laugh and that he should show more respect for himself and his race. In my own opinion the skit made the term no less vulgar but that doesn’t mean his sister is incorrect.
Because of his extraordinary ability as a comedian Chappelle has the potential to shape the way his audience feels about things. In his case this would apply to many young minds like my group of friends at the time he released the skit. Just because what he says is funny does not mean that it is harmless. This is his sister’s point and the reason I have become more skeptical. For those with bad intentions, humor provides a cloak. Lets pretend for a second that the videos posted in the blog actually sounded good (regardless of content). They would receive a great deal of play on the internet and reach a huge number of people. Like it or not, America is home to a number of idiots and these videos may just be the grounds upon which they would make judgment on our President or their Mexican neighbors. Jokes which push the line possess significant potential for corrupting minds even if they come in innocent looking packaging. Or maybe they’re just funny, I don’t know I’m still trying to figure this out.

Anonymous said...

When it comes to making jokes about race, there are always going to be controversies. In our society today, comedy tends to get a bit insensitive on the touchy subjects. It may be assumed that we can passively poke fun at the vicious stereotypes used against all races, but to some it’s a barbaric reality. Using the image from the blog as an example, this could be quite the offensive stab to an African American. This belittles a culture. This sends out the message that watermelons in a yard are all we amount to. Personally, this stereotype is actually a first for me. I’ve never been confronted with a significant group of black people that adore watermelons. I guess if it’s grown like cotton, then it’s a black ritual right? This sickens me. This is similar to a scenario that I spoke about in my discussion group. One day, my coworker who’s black, was eating a bagel at her desk for breakfast. This white woman, who’s an employee as well, came passed her and said “what you eating, chicken?” The moment I heard that remark, my first reaction was that of laughter. But then I had to recollect and figure out that the derivation of her remark. Why did she even say that? Like what was her purpose? The thought of connecting chicken to her as a person boggled me. And one thing I try not to do is automatically just jump to conclusions. One criticism I can say about the black race is that we often attack as an immediate instinct. We never give a white person or another race the benefit of the doubt, we quickly cast them as a potential racist. For instance, I was at the grocery store with a black friend and we got up to the line of the cash register. The cashier was a white woman and when we arrived in front of her, she didn’t greet us. Immediately my friend caught an attitude, rolled her eyes and said out loud “I can’t stand these racist ass motherfuckers” Never did she consider the fact that the woman might have had a bad day and wasn’t in the mood to speak to anyone. It seems that in a way black people feel that white people aren’t entitled to not give blacks the upmost respect; like this is the least you can do. In retrospect, this ultimately tried to justify the anger and the hatred of blacks towards other human beings. Two wrongs simply don’t make a right. Then looking at the video parodies of Obama and the Mexicans, there is some sense of humor in there but its receptiveness can only be taken positively subjectively. There is a substantial amount of validity in these comedic topics, but are we being overly pessimistic?

Anonymous said...

It is videos like these that make me embarrassed to be an American. I know that Dr. Richards said in class that we should feel lucky, because America is a good place to live. And I understand that. But what happened to the melting pot. Are we so removed from our own history, that we forget where we all ourselves came from? We are all of different cultures. Like we talked about it class, are DNA connects us to multiple roots. So how can people be so ignorant that they do not even think twice before putting videos like those on the internet? In the blog Dr. Richards began by talking about joking and what is and is not considered offensive, and the overuse of the word “offensive.” However, I don’t know how these videos would be considered anything other than offensive.

We were talking about “offensive” terms in our small group class and someone mentioned that the offensiveness depended on the context. When it comes to videos on the internet there is no true “context.” Anyone could watch those videos and not know the reasons why they originated. To me they are “offensive” because they hurt feelings. They degrade and belittle.

I feel uptight anymore because I don’t find any joke relating to race funny. The only time I feel it is possibly acceptable is when someone is making a joke about his/her own race. But still, I am not sure it gives me the right to laugh. And if I laugh I feel it would have to be because I understand that it is a joke, but to watch a racist laugh it would make me really angry.

Dr. Richards ended his blog talking about Mexicans, and whether we “know” how they feel and what we would think after watching it and talking with a Mexican neighbor. I don’t know how they feel, but I wish I knew more. I wish everyone knew more about how so many different races feel. I despise how ignorant a lot of people are. Sometimes it makes me unpleasant to be around because I just don’t get how people don’t see what they are doing. But worse I don’t get how they can not care. Videos like these never speak to me about the race being portrayed. They speak to me in a depressive way about how ignorant a lot of people are.

The videos were aggravating. The national anthem, an anthem some immigrants are finding comfort was just thrown in their faces. And a reference to watermelons, a reference that runs deep through the history of this nations faults. How can we be raising children in an environment like the current one?

Anonymous said...

“When do we cross the line?” The line is an interesting concept because unlike a real line, there is no clearly drawn “line in the sand” that one either steps over or does not step over. I feel, much like Sam does, that it is fun to poke fun at things for the sake of poking fun at things, to make fun of people in power and to challenge people and ideas for the purpose of challenging them. However, in the case of this Youtube clip, I feel that even though there isn’t an expressly drawn out “line”, that idea of it has certainly been pushed to the fullest extent.
One of the other bloggers responding to this article made a good point that immigrants now are acclimating as fast and faster as our parents, grandparents, and their parents and grandparents did. I have met and known non Native-born citizens that have had a better sense of national pride than many people that I’ve known that are born and bred American citizens. I have seen some of my friends openly mock and bash American ideas and pillars, while I have seen foreigners uphold them.
The Obama video and the “Star Spanglish Banner” video both have something in common. They are both (maybe arguably, but definitely in my opinion) rude and potentially degrading. Now, granted, like Sam said, offensive is a word that some people throw around liberally. “Oh, that’s so offensive” or “that offends me.” In order to truly take offense to something, like previously noted, there must be a grain of truth in what’s being said (maybe at least from a historical perspective) and it must be truly damaging to one’s self-concept or self-esteem. Obama has proven that he does not fit the White supremacist stereotype of being an ignorant negro who loses control in the presence of watermelon. And, interestingly enough, he has proven just how much better he is than certain people who have been circulating this video around. Just think, that person could’ve been representing us! There’s probably people in as high or higher positions who are also partake in these politically incorrect attempts at humor.
The Star Spanglish Banner is equally as damaging and potentially hurtful. Many immigrants seek to cross the border and have a chance at the same thing we all have a chance at: that ever elusive “American Dream.” They want to come, to raise their families in America, and to be Americans. Granted, they are not going to leave their heritage behind, and they are certainly not going to forget where their roots are. But neither did our grandparents, or their grandparents. And nobody would challenge their American “status”. I just hope that the people who made these videos appreciate exactly what message they’re sending, and hopefully, will see how truly misguided it really is.

Anonymous said...

I’ve never really thought about being offended. Well, I mean when looking past the actual feeling that comes along with the word anyway. You hear someone say something and it upsets you. It could embarrass you, so that could make it offensive. It could make you mad. That could make it offensive, but why are you mad? It’s just a word. The word, however, comes along with a meaning. This update stated that the feeling is one that “stems from sensing that the attacker believes that there is some degree of truth to their offensive.” I don’t see that as being true though, at least not all of the time. Sometimes people say things simply to get a rise out of people, or because they are upset and their mood is displayed within the way they treat others. In fact, I feel that the majority of offenses come from people trying to hurt others. For example, take all the derogatory terms that come with stereotypes and race. Those do not have truth to them. Even the picture of the White House in the blog, that is offensive, but it doesn’t display a truth. I’ve also come to notice that some phrases and words that used to be offensive nowadays are used in joking manners. As discussed within my discussion group, there is a difference between the word “nigger” and “nigga.” The former is still to this day extremely offensive and can cause extreme unrest if even whispered. However, I feel that “nigga” is a part of our culture. Although African American singers and rappers sing the word in their songs, their fan base is not just African Americans. Black and white teenagers alike will sing along to the lyrics “if you feelin like a pimp nigga, go and brush your shoulders off” without breaking a sweat. Why or the better question is how? It is not thought of as extremely offensive because it is part of the culture. I, a white female, would be able to sing at a club or a bar the word “nigga” and people would just be singing along with me. Granted, if there was a different tone to how I was saying the word, it would be a different story and stray into the “nigger” category. To say that is such taboo in our culture that I am even awkward typing it out. The point, however, is that to be offensive does not just mean a degree of truth in the statement. Offended is its own emotion. It stands separate from embarrassed or angry, and most importantly it is subject to change. The same thing that made people angry one hundred years ago may not make people angry today. While being offended is more direct than being angry, it still stands apart and can still change with the times, and is not solely rooted in a hint of truth.

Anonymous said...

Ok. Let’s get one thing straight. Adolph Hitler was a douche. He was a dick. He was one of the biggest fuckups in the all of history. Secondly, the dude that wanted his son’s name out on the birthday cake needs to understand is that his son is named after one of the most hated men in all of the world by pretty much most of the world. Now first off, why would this dude name his son after Adolph? Simple, He’s part of the Aryan nation. The Aryan Nation is another group of fuckups that support Hitler and a whole bunch of other dumb shit. See the thing about a name is that it really is important what you name your children. Our President is named Barack Hussein Obama. Because of his name, many have called him a terrorist and a Muslim and other things. My name is Jeremy which is the New Testament version Jeremiah which translates in the Hebrew “Yahweh will rise” or “Jesus will rise”. This wasn’t an accident on her part. My brother‘s name is Isaiah which translates in the Hebrew “Salvation of Yahweh” or “Salvation of Jesus”. We both grew up in the church and she grew up in the church. See what I don’t get is black people be naming they kids Tranika or DeQuan or Latavia or whatever else they can come up with. Names are important. When you hear the name Bill Clinton, what do you think of? I think “First Black President”. When you hear Christopher Columbus, what do you think of? I think “Dumb Motherfucker”. Or what about when you hear Paris Hilton? I think “Dumb Blonde Bitch”. Just for the hell of it, if you mention Gina Carano, Vida Guerra, or Diora Baird my knees get weak. The point of this is not just what are name is, but it’s what we do with those names. Chris Benoit is one of the greatest wrestlers of all time. He gave his heart and soul to the business and up until a point there was never a bad thing said about him until one day he from all the medication he was taking he killed his wife, son, and himself. Now to some, 20 years of a great legacy is tarnished by three days of a terrible event. What is really in a name? I believe this. That when a child is born, when the parents first see their newborn whatever name pops into their skull from that good feeling is what they child should be named. Now some people already have a named planned out for their kids. The fact of the matter is that a name is important. Seeing as how my brother and I are named after two of the most prominent figures in the Bible we’ve picked up the nickname “Prophet” because Isaiah and Jeremiah were prophets and nicknames are just as important. I’ve got a shitload. Look, you can have a name, but it’s what you do with that name that makes it all the more important.

Anonymous said...

I think most of those clips and pictures are pretty funny. Sorry if it offends anyone but the picture with the watermelons is hysterical. I also think that the people who produced those images have every right to do so. I do not know if they are politicians, kids, executives or whoever. Freedom of speech is freedom of speech. Once you put a limit on it, it violates the constitution and the very rock on which our country was built. However, I think that these people should not be allowed to apologize, hide, or deny that they were involved in the production of these materials. You can not send the e-mail out to your fellow republican politicians and then state in a bull-shit press conference that you regret your actions. You knew what you were doing when you did that and that is how the world views you. I am so sick of hearing people say things and two days later having them apologize. When will the American government learn to think before they speak or act? Didn’t we all learn this in elementary school? You apologize to Johnny because you called him a butt-head in third grade and go back to recess, but congressmen shouldn’t be allowed to go free after saying some of the things that they do. If you exercise your freedom of speech, in my opinion, you better know what your saying, stand by it, and not be a coward and take it back two days later. As for the people who laugh at this stuff, I am one of them. I can laugh at it, but laughter doesn’t say I agree with it. Barak the Magic Negro just sounds funny, laughing at it doesn’t qualify me as a conservative racist who hates Obama. Watching them is fine. Ã…nd if it is your job to produce funny internet videos to make people laugh and they are a little racy, then that is fine. But if you’re a senior politician, don’t be an idiot and send it around the office. I know I said that if you laugh at it that is fine. But I guess it depends. As a college student, there are no repercussions to what I laugh at. If I were a politician, I think I would be a little more careful. The guy had the right to laugh at the in the privacy of his own home or office but once he sent it out over e-mail then he is crossing the line. Notice I didn’t say he is violating free speech. None of this violates that right. But he is crossing the line and should stand and answer any questions that come about because of his actions, not just be accommodating and apologize.

Anonymous said...

In response to the “When do we cross the line?” blog, I feel as though every president in the history of the United States has been made fun of and criticized. The president is basically like a celebrity, there are so many things that are said about them. I mean as human beings I believe that we have a natural instinct to bash and criticized the person who is running our nation. Who knows why we do it but we do. The watermelon joke can be taken as offensive or as a light and harmful joke. I feel that people who take it as offensive are mostly black people. I feel that if I was black I would be more offended. I didn’t really get the joke at first because I have never heard that black people like watermelon a lot, but as I read the blog it started to upset me more that a person would do such a nasty thing. I don’t understand why people just won’t keep their opinions to themselves, or feel the need to make judgments and express their opinions in an immature manner.
The part where Sam discusses the video about Barak Obama. I don’t think that Sam should blame that song on the Republican Party. I think that people need to grow up at least a little bit. Since when did Republicans and democrats loathe each other? I hate hearing people complain about Republicans and Democrats. Why can’t you just compromise and say that you have different views on how to run our country. I can only hope the people don’t think a true Political Republican made up a song like “Puff the magic dragon” referring to Barack Obama. I mean a politician has a lot of other more important things to worry about than to waste time making up a crappy song. I’m not 100% sticking up for republicans but I can say that, the video was uncalled for and immature. I just don’t understand why people would disrespect their president. He is going to be doing so much for our country. He is considered the change of our society, so why can’t people just grasp that. It’s absurd.
Being a Latina myself I am appalled that someone would make fun of Mexicans singing the star spangled banner. I mean a lot of Mexican people live in our country, and to disrespect their nationality, culture, and home land is a little ridiculous. Over all I think that we as Americans need to start respecting different cultures and ethnicites. Every person who lives in the United States needs to start acting like Americans. Obama is now our new president and I think that americans need to stop bashing him.

Anonymous said...

The word offensive is thrown around a lot, and for the most part I don’t think it’s justified. People say they are “offended” every time they hear something that’s not 100% politically correct. It’s gotten to the point where I think offended has lost much of its actual meaning Webster’s defines offended as “To cause displeasure, anger, resentment, or wounded feelings in.” or “To be displeasing or disagreeable to”. Now how many times does someone say something offends him or her before they even really give it a chance to sink it. So I often I head people are offended, but generally it’s like when someone says “ouch” as a general reaction for something even possibly surprising them, but nothing actually caused any pain.

Really, I think the basis for when I would actually go as far as to get offended, is if the “joke” had actual hateful intent behind it. Now, often times this is very hard to tell, especially if it’s just a picture you ran across on the Internet. You never know the intent of a stereotypical “nerd” in his parent’s basement fooling around on Photoshop. But I mean, let’s face it, most stereotypes are kind of funny, or can be funny. I don’t ever mind jokes about races on shows or anything, as long as they’re all kind of represented evenly. If someone is making a joke about one race, the other’s is fair game. Chappelle’s Show was one of my favorites TV shows ever, and it was based basically entirely on race jokes. The great thing about his show is that no race was singled out.

With that being said, the picture did not offend me, me being a 22-year-old white male. I don’t even know if I have a right to have an opinion to be totally honest. I mean, they only reason I say I do is because it deals with people of this country we share. But I’m not offended; if someone is offended by watermelons then they need to go through some actual adversity in their life. Hell, I like watermelons, does that also give me a right to be offended by this picture? The videos/songs are a different story though. They just didn’t give me a joking feel. I think they kind of went out of their way to just about go over the line, but not quite. The worst thing about them is what they were used for though, is that they were part of a political campaign. That takes dirty politics to an entirely different level that they should never reach.

All in all, the racism we see in jokes, campaign, TV shows, whatever, is nothing compared to what it was 50 years ago when it was alright for someone t dress up in “black face”. I’d say we’re on the right track.

Anonymous said...

There are many times when humor crosses the line. For instance, the image of the white house lawn as a watermelon patch is highly offensive. Often people think they have the freedom to express themselves and no one will be offended. Now, with a Barack Obama in the white house, people will have to deal with the change America made on November 4, 2008. The image of the watermelons is not just a joke; it forecasts a racist image to its audience. The reference made that saying “Black people like watermelon is just like the Japanese like sushi” is irrelevant. For decades saying African Americans like watermelon, was used in a discriminatory way. When people reference watermelon to African Americans it refers to their time spent as slaves. This is an attack on African American culture. The image is completely appalling and just proves the ignorance that exists in society. Barack Obama’s critics need to realize his father was directly from Africa and his ancestry does not link to slavery. Therefore, I see the attack as an act of racism against African Americans. In addition, it exemplifies the ignorance of Barack Obama’s opponents.
The “Barack the magic negro “video is also highly offensive. The message was not to poke fun at Obama, but it is a politically driven message. The line when it stated “don’t vote for Obama” set the tone for slander and racism against African Americans. Don’t get me wrong I am a person who enjoys a good joke every now and than. However, when there is a hidden message that is highly offensive and inappropriate is truly wrong. During the campaign republicans who forwarded this video to other republicans may felt they needed to attack Obama in order to feel comforted before the election. On election night, the creators of this film were not pleased, but humiliated.
The video “Star Spagnlish Banner” again was another attack towards race. Mexican Americans can not go a day without being subject to racial attacks and hostilities form other Americans. The immigration issue is a problem we face, however for the Mexican’s who take the right way to achieve their citizenship are criticized for the illegal aliens that enter our county. I feel that Mexican Americans are proud of their citizenship. I know my Mexican friends are much Americanized and have great respect for the country. The “Star Spanglish banner” is another way for people to get their racist view across. Legal Mexican’s have every right to be here and express their freedoms as they choose even if they please to speak Spanish. Recently in the news there has been a movement in outlawing bilingual voting forms. However, the movement has failed in many states. Many Americans feel frustrated with the fact that many Mexican Americans are difficult to communicate with because of the language barrier. As a result, innocent Mexican Americans take the blame for others. After hearing the song, I would not feel any different about my Mexican friends, because I know the song is just a bad joke. As we saw in “Barack the Magic Negro” video and the watermelon Image, racial jokes can be highly offensive with a message that attacks a particular race.

Anonymous said...

I can understand why people of non-European decent would be offended by some of the jokes that people of other cultures would make about their history or culture. Any statement that has even a modicum of condescension in it would certainly warrant feelings of insult. The picture with the watermelons in front of the White House can definitely be construed as insulting because it is a representation of how black people were portrayed in the days of slavery: as stupid, apelike sub-humans who crave watermelon.
This was actually a subject of discussion in our groups this past week. One girl in the class mentioned having a friend who was black whose two favorite foods were fried chicken and watermelon, but refused to eat either of them because they did not want to further perpetuate the stereotype that all black people love fried chicken and watermelon.
I have to admit I found this bizarre because I couldn’t imagine forsaking something you enjoy just for the sake of killing a stereotype that (and I might be overly optimistic about this) most people wouldn’t give a second thought IF the stereotype was mentioned at all.
For example, I have red hair, and a common stereotype about redheads is that they are bad tempered. While I am loathe to admit it, I’m afraid I do have a bit of a temper, but I don’t attribute this to the color of my hair, nor is it ever in the front of my mind to quell my temper when I happen to be in a temperamental mood for the sake of killing this stereotype. I choose not to let it affect me, and if that’s how people choose to judge me, that is their fault, not mine.
Personally, I believe that these actions that are done in the name of erasing a stereotype are all in vain, simply because ignoring the stereotype doesn’t make it go away, nor does giving in to it by denying yourself whatever the stereotype dictates you enjoy when you genuinely do enjoy whatever the stereotype is.
No, the only way to erase the stereotype is to call it out, to make it known that yes, there were commons belief two centuries ago, but these are different times and we have different customs now. A person’s cultural history should not dictate what they can or cannot like. Stereotypes only survive because of that modicum of condescension. They provoke insult, and insults can last throughout an entire cultural history.
But how do you kill an insult that’s centuries old? The success of its demise is twofold: first, when the stereotype is said, the person who said it needs to make it clear that they are joking, and no harm was intended. This can be accomplished as simply as smiling and using a lighthearted tone when it’s spoken. Second, the person whom the stereotype is referring to should also interpret the stereotype in the spirit it was given: as one of humor and not something to take offense to. The stereotype will then lose its power, as its strength lies within its ability to insult.
People usually don’t point out stereotypes to be mean or insulting, but maybe “crossing the line” is exactly the answer to the continued existence of the insults behind stereotypes. It starts with one person at a time, but it isn’t an impossible goal.

Anonymous said...

This is such a complicated story. At first I thought this guy was a complete bigot who just felt like pushing some kind of line with his song about Obama. As I follow the web-trail, however, I understand he was making some kind of parody about an opinion column in the LA times. Mr. Ehrenstein (the writer of the article) argued that Obama satisfies some perceived need in the white community to make amends for slavery. To whites, suggests Ehrenstein, Obama is the perfect solution because he makes them feel better about themselves while actually failing to put a true African-American in to power. Ehrenstein himself claims an African-American heritage and, in general, seems to be against Obama’s first couple of decisions in office (mostly those bearing weight with the LGBT community). All that said, I could see how Paul Shanklin (he wrote “Barack the Magic Negro”) could defend himself against critics who would suggest he is a racist. The bigger question I ask myself (in kind of an echo of Sam’s remark) is “why would Chip Saltsman send the album to all the higher-ups in the Republican National Committee?” By sending the controversial album to so many leaders in the organization, it’s almost like he is sending a bigger message. It makes Republicans look awful. Even if people in the party disagree with the subtleties suggested by these two songs, it would be hard for someone not to generalize that the whole party thinks that the premises are true (that Obama is just a scapegoat for “white guilt” and that all Mexican immigrants are not supportive of the U.S.). The question of where to draw the line concerning stereotypes and issues of race is concerned with motive. So maybe Shanklin could defend himself over “Barack the Magic Negro,” but I think it would be hard to explain “the Star Spanglish Banner.” “Why did you write this song?” I can’t imagine a very “articulate” answer to that one. As for Saltsman, his decision was completely inappropriate and unprofessional. Apparently he’s tried to defend himself in various articles claiming that the media holds him to a double standard and that Ehrenstein should be held to account. He thinks that the article should be held under more scrutiny than the parody aired on Rush Limbaugh’s show (“Barack the Magic Negro” first appeared on his program). We are talking about two totally different kinds of mediums. Ehrenstein was writing for an opinions column in the LA times. He clearly explained his stance and clarified exactly what he meant by saying “Magic Negro.” Saltsman was trying to get into a prominent position at the front lines of politics. Of course the media and the public are going to see him in a construed light, no matter how much he tries to defend himself. There’s really only one question left to ask Saltsman with regards to distributing the albums: “Why?”

Anonymous said...

After reading this blog entry it really got me thinking about a lot of things that are going on in our society today when it comes to racism and our generation. I think that the election of Barack Obama into the presidency is obviously a major step for us. The thing that bothers me about it though is that people are constantly going to be pulling the race card. I feel that people, especially the media and comedians, are doing it for the wrong reasons. I feel like they are doing it to make some profit off it. They are doing to it to draw attention to them, and from that have high hopes that they can rake it in.
I also feel that our generation is really trying overcome the presence of racism. I think that having to point out it pointless. Coming from a small town into Penn State, I was expecting to be more overwhelmed by the dynamics of it. But, when I see the different races and ethnicities I just see them as people, not being defined by the color of their skin. So when people poke fun at it, and draw attention to it I get so frustrated. In such a great country that America has become, one would think that racism would be such a thing of the past. It is difficult to not find it in the news. You can always find a headline on CNN about someone poking fun at racism. This is where the “offense” topic comes into play.
I am shocked that a Republican chairman would even consider making fun of race. It shows that the Republican party is very out of touch with the direction that we are attempting our country to go. Our youth is screaming for everyone to be equal and embrace our individuality, and our superiors are completely ignoring it and dwelling on the past. It makes me feel like they are taking such backwards steps. It is making me so disappointed in our government. These people go to college, get their degrees, and campaign their butts off to get to their prestigious positions. It makes me sick in my stomach to think that they make such transparent promises, only to play dirty politics when they get to the peak of their career.
I only hope that our futures are not plagued with constant drama when it comes to dealing with our government. I hope that with this “stimulus package” we can devote a significant amount to the education of our youth. The older people grew up in a time where racism was a key factor in their society. I can only hope that the teachers of today are able to undo this focus, and make sure that our youth grow up with a fresh perspective on race.

Unknown said...

When do we cross the line? I think that answer depends on who you are talking to. I think everyone sets the line at a different point, but I also feel that there are certain things you can joke about that would cross everyone’s line. Personally, I feel that those songs crossed my line and I am a white/caucasian female with I guess technically no reason to be offended. I just think it is incredibly disrespectful and I can’t believe, no I take that back, I can believe members of the Republican party would create such a CD; not to generalize about Republicans of course, I know not all of them are like the highly publicized narrow minded individuals. As I write that however, I realize that I felt compelled to add that last part about not generalizing about Republicans, so as not to offend someone who is Republican and doesn’t hold those stereotyped views. It makes me realize how much the “being offended” about something has taken hold of our society. Now that I think about I realize how much I tip toe around issues of race and political view point and religion so as not to offend anyone I don’t know well enough to know where their “line” is. It really makes talking about these issues rather difficult when you think about it.
I have a few good friends that I hang out with and we seem to talk about religion and politics and sometimes, though not as often, race A LOT! It has actually become a running joke that as soon as one of those three topics comes up in passing, we know it will lead to hours of deep conversation that we all seem to thrive on. Perhaps it is because we are so sheltered from it throughout the rest of our daily lives. It seems many people are reluctant to talk about those topics or maybe I just have not been meeting the right people. I could tell you word for word what each of my friends positions are on each of those topics, and they could tell you mine, yet we still find reasons to talk about it over and over. It becomes a boring night of hanging out if at some point one of those topics is not talked about.
In reading some of the other comments that have been made about the blog, I came across one where the individual was explaining what their TA said on the “crossing the line” issue. His comment was that you “empower racist words by letting them anger you”. I thought that was a really good point and a different way of looking at it. Does that mean that if everyone stopped being “offended” by everything racism would go away? I wonder first, how hard it would be to not be offended on some level. Is it society that teaches us to be offended? Racism is all over the world though, so maybe it is a global societal trait? …An interesting issue to ponder.

Anonymous said...

Jokes and parodies about race are often straddling the line between racism and humor. Being Hispanic myself, I listened to and watched the “Star Spanglish Banner” and was horrified by the imagery and lyrics. Although I am not Mexican, I can relate to the people that are being portrayed in the video. There are a lot of people in the United State that are proud of where they come from and don’t try to hide that. There is nothing wrong with that. Many years ago, when people first started coming to the United States from European countries, assimilation was not as important as it is viewed to be today. People who came from Germany spoke German and kept their traditions. So why is it that today, when someone doesn’t learn English, they are seen as non-patriotic towards the United States. May I remind you that the United States has no official national language or religion? Yes, the majority of the country speaks English, majority of our publications are written in English and the majority of media is done in English. But there are also growing populations of citizens that speak Spanish, write their own publications in Spanish, and listen to media in Spanish. There is a growing demand in the job market to speak both English and Spanish. Why is this? Because of the growing number of Spanish-speaking people in the United States. I was at work here in State College one day and I remember listening to my co-workers as I was waiting to punch into work. They were talking about how they can’t stand going into New Jersey anymore because it’s like a different world and nothing is in English anymore. They said it’s not America anymore. It just amazed me how they could say that. I was always brought up to believe that America is more than just one language, race, religion and way of thinking. However, everyone’s upbringing is different. I only hope that our society starts to move towards a more modern view of equality. A lot of the time, racial jokes are made and are justified by the use of humor. “Oh we’re not really offending you, we’re just making fun of you.” If you are making a joke about a specific type of person and not doing with good intention then it’s not right. That’s just how I view it. But I’m coming to find out it is not uncommon for these jokes. Comedy shows dedicate whole hours to these jokes. I have been taught to respect people of all races and to respect different cultures. I have been taught to not judge any person by their appearance. Like the saying goes, don’t judge a book by its cover.

Anonymous said...

The offensive line is definitely unclear, especially for those of us who have little experience with racism either directed at us or directed at others. I believe the offensiveness of a statement is totally derived from its context, and even more so, from its accuracy or inaccuracy. But when it comes to racism, I think so much of it has permeated our subconscious culture that we don’t even realize we’re doing it, and when we are doing it intentionally I think the fact that it could be offensive is sometimes entirely forgotten. This is not because we don’t care about others feelings, but simply because sometimes we say things without consulting the mind filter first. When it comes to the watermelon picture, I would definitely dub that racist, because there was plenty of time for the author to realize that that picture was offensive. What I mean is, a lot of thought went into its creation, and then it was placed somewhere to be viewed publicly. That is intentionally offensive. Similarly, the songs were intentional and thought-out, and therefore derogatory in nature. But the deliberate nature of an offensive comment still doesn’t entirely define it as racist. Sometimes, a comedian will play off extremely questionable and generalized stereotypes, and this will not be interpreted as offensive. What gives? I think in that case it is the context. When you go to see a comedian, you expect to laugh, and so your expectations provide a framework in which to view what the comedian is saying. So going back to the watermelon picture, why is that offensive? Is that not comedy? In a sense, it could be. It probably depends on where it was first posted, and who posted it. If it was posted by a well known blogger who is not a racist on a comedy web site, it would probably not be construed as offensive, or at least it would not incite anger because it was just part of the larger joke. But since the World Wide Web is an interconnected system, the fact that it was bound to get into other contexts had to be understood by the author. So we’re still left with a lot of grey area. Maybe, offensiveness has to do with whether or not the statement is true. But then again, the most true statement you can ever make about a group of people is still only a generalization. Maybe, and probably most likely, offensiveness has to do with in-groups and out-groups and how people perceive others within them. A bunch of upper class white republicans probably aren’t considered insiders with blacks, so therefore “Barack the Magic Negro” is probably considered an attack by an outside group. The most certain way to evaluate offensiveness, though, is to put yourself in that “other” person’s shoes. You are then making a human context, a self context, which can help you determine appropriateness.

Anonymous said...

Personally, I don't see why any of this should get attention. Rush Limbaugh is a known racist, he shown he true colors before (ie The McNabb Incident). The spangish banner didn't offend me, I don't know why this gets attention. The Parallels I see in both these videos is they both have inarticulate people trying to get a message across with an failed attempt at a joke. The "Barrack the magic Negro" video was a radio talk show host attempt as a white man to parody an article written by a black man who saw the "magic Negro" label given to many black actors to take the role of the black character who saves the day for the white character. As who he was being portrayed in the media the constant fawning and awe of almost ever reporter in the media that any criticism was "waved away" because they gave him a status above criticism. a status that wasn't above them asking whether he was black or not. The Magic Negro article was a well thought out and written piece that I agree with. Being somebody who waited till from 7pm to 2am in order to vote for him in the Texas Caucus, I am sick and tired about how great he is. He now is our president and no longer a candidate it time to stop comparing him to others and criticizing with respect like for the title he holds. when 2011 rolls around, I hope people are no longer holding their tongue about criticizing him they should say whatever comes to their mind about his policies. As for the Political Satirist parodying the article this isn't the first time he has published an stupid attempt at an joke, I could care less. The real sad part of the story is when people give this attention. It was enough when Limbaugh but this on his show, but when other who keep tabs on his show give him national attention and but him on the TV or in the press they allow this to grow. Limbaugh and the satirist win because they may accuse them of being racist, any news is good news. As long as you give some one attention they become empowered and if stupid song get you're attention...

As for the Spanglish banner once aging I refer to the previous sentence. Moreover, I not offended by the song but by the implications of Dr. Richards.

"Along comes a song that tells others around you--your barber, your electrician, your boss, your child's teacher--that Mexicans don't want to be Americans and have fealty first and foremost to Mexico."

Many Mexicans and other immigrants I know become polarized by this issue there are those especially 2nd generation that see themselves as purely American and go as far to look down on immigrant from their race or nationality who don't. This is a big reason their are many Latinos as border agents and in the military. At the other end of the spectrum are those that see no reason to assimilate and see them selves a opposed to everything American, there are many different reasons for this. as a 2nd generation immigrant I'm opposed to the idea that immigrant must assimilate to American culture.

Anonymous said...

I find it rather disgusting that someone whom should respect everyone in the U.S. and people that the very song “Barack the Magic Negro” seeks to offend, would find the song laughable and then forward it on to the rest of his constituents. The Republican Party is obviously not the party of choice for the majority of blacks in America, and this case of disregard obviously does not do anything to dispel this assertion. I am not trying to say that the song is offensive to every African American and that by association, Chip Saltsman is racist, but in my opinion this was not the smartest move to make. Conservatives in America are already reeling from a poor showing in elections, why try to bury them deeper?
In my discussion group this week, I brought up the point that I believe there are certain boundaries that people need to be careful not to cross when delivering a race related remark, or joke. The Star Spanglish Banner is a perfect example. Yes, it is true that there are many situations in which immigrants clearly do not try to assimilate as others before them have done, but why make the assumption that all Hispanics are trying to do this? And to take it even further and say that the United States will soon be Spanish speaking.
I personally don’t know how Mexicans feel, as I am a white woman with Canadian ancestry. I do know how it feels to be singled out because of your background/ancestry as I have encountered many slanders against being French Canadian before. I can’t imagine that anything said in a negative way against the Hispanic demographic would be in any way, shape or form helpful to them. It only serves to further propel the stereotypes that plague them every day.
I cannot say that The Star Spanglish doesn’t bother me at all; seeing pictures of Mexicans at rallies holding up the Mexican flag in hopes of getting rights here in the United States does not sit well with me. I understand that they want the ability to immigrate as they please, and that they also want similar rights to legal citizens but I don’t think that showing their pride of their own country (that they left for more opportunity) is the way to do that. It is almost a slap in the face to America, as if to say that they only want the opportunity, not the way of life. The song doesn’t make me look at any Mexicans differently, because I am not lumping them all into the same category; that is simply the way I view people being that intense about their old country in their new “Dreamland”.

Anonymous said...

For years and years people have been judging each other on the basis of habits and surroundings. Some may be offensive and some not. There is still no clear definition of how far a person can go with a joke or comment before pushing the person over the edge or in other words offending him or her. People who live in the North Pole are said to eat lots of fish or those who live in New Orleans that they party a lot due to mardi gras. Those these are not offensive statements but they are not completely true. Not everyone parties and nor does every person eat fish all the time. It is a common misconception due to generalization.

Generalizing people has gone a bit further in this era due to cultural classifications. Black people for loving grape juice and Indians for eating mangoes. The list keeps on going on and on. I love grape juice and I am not black. Infact a friend of mine actually pointed this out to me that why do you drink so much grape juice, are you black? At that remark I was utterly disgusted and started an argument with him. But no matter what we all say people will always judge no matter what we say and how we act. It is the way nature works.

Comedians are people who for some reason don’t have this problem. They make fun of all genders, colors and religions. Why is that so? Who gave them the right to call a black man with the “N” word whereas if someone else says it, its as if he said the worst thing on earth. Its interesting to note here that before I came to the states me and my friends used to “N” word on each other all the time. But we used it because we saw it being used on T.V. and it sounded cool. It was out of innocence but it was when I came here, that I came to know that it is a very offensive to a black person. Though I don’t use it anymore but I’m still in this dilemma that why cant I use it as I don’t mean to offend anyone? Why cant people look into me and see that I am not a racist? Those this is a very subjective idea since it cannot be measured but after all it is just a word. But the masses are always right and there is almost no point going against the flow in most cases. This is when one should know that it is time to stop. I from talking to different black people came to realize that only they can say the “N” word to each other and not others to them as it demeans them and their heritage. It is a common understanding here in the U.S. not to use it but I did not know this and when I was told of it I stopped.

People only realize these things when a lot of damage takes place. When masses gather together and make their voices heard is the only way to let people know how far they can go with a particular subject. Black people stood fast for their rights and made the people of this world know where they stand and how much push is a push and that it doesn’t lead to a shove.

Anonymous said...

My main concern with humor that can be deemed “offensive” is the way in which it affects those who are uneducated and unfamiliar with the complexities of race and culture, and are therefore unable to discern a joke from the truth. For example, I followed the link to the youtube page for the “Star Spanglish Banner” video, and checked out some responses to the clip. The first response, posted just nine hours ago despite the fact that the clip was posted in June 2007, was “were gonna have to shoot the illegals.” As Dr. Richards notes, such a reaction has enormous repercussions for how Mexican – and for that matter, Latinos or Hispanics who are incorrectly identified as Mexican – immigrants are perceived and treated in our country. Such attempts at humor can also be misconstrued by those with a specific agenda against diversity and social progress, such as the conservative Republicans who passed around CDs poking fun at liberals and minorities. But of course, why would these people want change when historically they have systematically enforced a hierarchy which allows them to enjoy a position of power?

Some might argue that racial or ethnic humor is not exclusive to minorities, and that white people are subject to their own share. Yet the tone and implications of “humorous stereotypes” against white people are vastly different than the jokes directed at minorities. For example, the joke about white people not having any dancing abilities, or the jokes about the frugality of Jews, does not affect these people beyond the initial joke experience. Yet claiming in a joke that all black people are lazy, can have more serious consequences. If such a joke permeates the mainstream ideology, African-Americans may find discrimination in their hunt for a job. Even more dangerous is the lack of empathy towards the cycle of poverty in inter-cities which often affects African-American families, because of a mainstream perception that such a situation is the result of laziness. In other words, something that starts as a joke can actually interfere with a call for social change.

This being said, humor is often a great way to disarm even the most racist people, and allow them to view stereotypes in a new way. It also allows people to let their guard down and discuss racial issues in an environment which has already been established as comfortable and safe: a place where on can truly speak their thoughts without fear of punishment. Though some people are able to see humor for what it is, and not the proliferation of a stereotype, there are always those who see it as evidence of a fact. But in this case, it is not the humor which needs to be addressed, but the origin of the stereotype and racism which shape how one views other races and cultures.

Anonymous said...

I believe that this is so stupid.... I mean obviously people are always going to have offensive terms and words and phrases to bring to the table. Obama is not going to be let down just because people think just because he is black he loves watermelon and that he is ignorant. I believe this goes to show that certain people can use certain term and take it in certain ways. Lets say the "N" word.... now people always say when a black person say this word with an a at the end of it it is okay to use but when any other race says it it is offensive. Obviously no one should be saying the word but hey in reality everybody can't always be satisfied about others' comments.
I mean watermelons, it's a fruit like any other fruit and it happens to taste good so whats the problem? I can't stand the fact that just because a great person that became president that is black, that people take offense to that so they find something offensive to use against him and that would be a "black joke". It's all hate and if people have stuff to say then let them, but regardless OBAMA still rocked the vote and still is president.
Stereotypes are in every race, ethnic group, and background and will be until we can become as one or equal. And even so there still might be stereotypical comments. It's not right but at the same time it's irrelevant because it's not true so we stick to "sticks and stones...etc quote."
Personally the songs are a mess but also they don't matter. When do we cross the line? We always cross the line everytime we make a racist comment, phrase, etc but that doesn't stop us. How dare we complain about unequality when we cause it. Why do certain colors have to have certain stereotypes when we generally live the same thing and that is life. Its sad because blacks and mexicans probably have the worst jokes because people belittle us because of history but we still came up on top.
Eventually we will all get over the fact that terms don't matter because we still can stand strong physically and mentally. I hate the comments and no one does but when you hear a phrase that is stereotypical about another race it is all of a sudden funny. See! Right there is where the problem is. Maybe if we stop laughing at comments that make us essentially upset if we were in their boots then this issue might go away. Otherwise comments will always exist.
In conclusion, I just don't pay too much attention to the nonsense people make up and I will always try my hardest too because even though it is something to comment it is not worth my time just attention to not do the same thing.

Sasha H.

Anonymous said...

I actually have my own personal opinion about immigration in the United States. However I do not have a concrete stance on how well immigrants should feel the need to assimilate and this is for various reasons. On one hand I feel that immigrants should be allowed to live their lives as they please as long as they abide by the laws of this country no matter their choice of lifestyle. If they do not want to speak English I do not believe they should be forced too, even though it in many cases it may be better when it comes to job opportunities and things like that but, I do not think they should be forced to learn a new language. However I do not believe that people have the right to take a person's disadvantage at learning one of the hardest known languages in the world and humiliate peoples cultural background. I sometimes do feel bad for the legal immigrants and native born Mexicans in the United States. However when it comes to illegal Mexicans in the Unites States I can't say that I share the same sentiment. You have to understand that at this day and age and with our economy, many people feel that illegal immigrants are a major strain on our economy and in many cases cause more problems. They also in many cases are the roots of many of the stereotypes that are made about Mexicans in America. I know some people say that illegal immigrants help America by working jobs that other Americans are not willing to take but I do not believe that is true. It is evident that the only reason why so many Americans are not willing to take so of these low class jobs is because of the low salaries that are associated with these jobs. If the immigrants were not willing to work these low wages then employers would be forced to raise the pay for these jobs making the standards for those jobs higher thus raising the standard of living for native born Americans. I also think that would be the answer for a lot of the poverty problems in America so if it takes a few "offensive jokes" to make this happen then so be it. However I do not think that stereotyping large racial groups is the most effective way to cause change. I personally don't know what to say about making jokes about other races because I do not believe we can generalize what is so right and so wrong about it. It is such a touchy subject and it depends on the context in which what was said. If a black man was to say something about Barack playing basketball it would be ok but if a white person did it, it would seem racist. It's just contextual so I don't really know how to take it.

Anonymous said...

Before I answer the prescribed question “ when do we cross over the lines”, lets first define what those lines are. I personally think the lines described in the question represent social constructions. Acceptance, labels, social economic status, and political ideology are all things people need to step over before we can get along.
The line of acceptance can be crossed when people feel more comfortable in their environment and surroundings. This is something that takes place on the inside of each individual. I was told State College was a racist town but I came here because I was comfortable in who I was. I did not care about others and I didn’t care what others had to same about me so therefore I know I would survive. But it is not that easy for others that don’t like who they are. On the other side people need to learn how to accept others who are different then they are. There is nothing wrong with learning something new about someone else. Not only does this helps bring people closer together, but it also helps tire down stereotypes.
The line of labels is hard to cross because this is based off of skin colors like white, and black, other. These racial categories are followed by history and history which we can’t change. However we can agree to disagree and recognize we are all different. We have different beliefs, different values, and our culture is different. Therefore we have a different struggle. We need not to use racial stereotypes. And instead change our mind sets about one another, Not all blacks are ghetto, not all Asians are smart, and not all whites are wealth.
The line of social economic status can be cross is if there are more opportunities for minorities to cross over into main stream society. People can find their place in life because they are always being pushed away because their don’t have the income to compete with people with a higher income. This also leads to a difference in their education. For example a kid living a urban neighborhood will only receive a certain education because his or her education system can’t offer to give them the proper skills to survive later in life. This same kid will also experience difficulty in dealing with getting a job. Aside from the everyday interactions and relationships we are split in two political parties. Who I think represent the white ideals vs the minority ideals.
We will cross over the lines when we, as Americans, in the 20th century agree to open our eyes and be more understanding. The lines are made up in my opinion and there are invisible. We need to do what Obama says and lift the pressure and dependence in America. Just think if we really wanted people cross over the line all we need to do is help them one race at a time.

Anonymous said...

According to the dictionary, the word offend means “to create or excite anger, resentment, or annoyance in; hurt the feelings of”. The word offend reminds me of all the times I have been called a ‘cunt’, ‘slut’, or even ‘crazy bitch’ (that one really gets me. No woman likes to be called crazy!). However, the strange thing about being offended is, they’re just words. How do we all let words affect us so much? What makes something a derogatory term? Will we ever get to a point where offend is a non-existent word? The answer to this definitely NO. Wherever you live, however old you are there will always be something out there that personally offends each and everyone of us somehow.
Derogatory terms are no more then a few words that someone put together to oppress someone else and they have always been around in some form. I know that for as long as I live, when a man calls me a ‘crazy bitch’, I will feel as though I’m being put down because the word crazy is bad in my mind. There will always be words out there that offend people on some level, even how retarded most of them sound.
Maybe a question we should be asking ourselves is, can we rise above and not let things personally offend us? I think the way to do this is Education. More often then not, when someone is trying to offend you they have no other means of arguing. They have come to the end of their tether on what they know and the only way they know how to defeat you is to offend you enough that you give up (This is how it has often happened to me at least). However, maybe if we were all well educated and knew at least a little bit about the issue we were discussing then no one would be hurt by mean statements in the end. Although, it is not realistic to think that everyone is going to receive higher education at some point in their life. So maybe we just all need to become more aware of what we say. I personally care a lot about other people’s happiness, but I know this not the case for everyone. I wish everyone could just open up and stand in someone else’s shoes for once.
I will admit it; I’m a big optimist. I like to see the good in all people and all things, even if it really isn’t there. That’s why I like to think there is a peaceful solution to everything. In my make believe world, there is no arguing and no one gets hurt over stupid words. I wish my world was real.

Christine

Anonymous said...

When trying to relate to other races i feel like it is very easy to cross the line unknowingly. Sometimes we listen to things on the radio or watch something on tv and we try to use that to relate to people of different races. Unfortunalty some people dont understand that what you say may be offensive to another person. For example my father is a jamaican man. So by nature he has a very nonchalant attitude. He also has a very attractive personality, and can get along with pretty much anyone. so it was only natural that the asian people at our chinese food resturant took a liking to him. They are usually very vocal and joke around alot with my father. There banter usually goes back and forth. However one story he told me made me think that they had seriously crossed the line. He had told me that once while picking up his food they were engaging in there usual banter, and while he was leaving the asian man had yelled "goodbye nigger" to him before he walked out the door. Upon hearing this story my mouth immediatly dropped and a loud gasp was released. To me this was crossing the line. However my father was apperently not offened because in retelling the story he was laughing and amused. I on the other hand did not know how to react. They are both friends so i know they didnt mean to say this in a derogatory way. In trying to find out why this was said i came up with the conclusion that they had either heard afriacn americans address each other in this was, heard it on the televison or heard it on the radio. It seemed as if they took this as an appropriate way to address african Americans. I also wondered why my father wasnt concered with this comment. Then it occured to me that my father not being from America, has not had this comment used towards him in a manner to bring him and his race down. He does not feel the same about this word as African Americans do. In his country being people who are black are the majority, and if your not your still jamaican. So to him this word means nothing. at the end of the day he was mainly concerned with the possibility that the asian people would use this term with an African American, not knowing the repercussions, and possible really offend someone.

Anonymous said...

In response to “When Do We Cross Over the Line”, I think it is wrong to judge other racial backgrounds based on stereotypes. I’ll be honest with you everyone has some type of stereotype about another race. But I think it is wrong for people to play into the stereotypes and discriminate against others. I sometimes make stereotypical jokes when I’m with my friends but I do not necessarily believe them. I was brought up to respect others regardless of race, age, and sex. Even though I make stereotypical jokes I do not believe any of them. People make jokes to sometimes lighten up serious situations, but they do have to understand they can be offensive to others. When I hear someone from another race make racial jokes about another race aloud I depending on what it is I find them offensive. One day my friends and I were walking back home from a party, some drunk guy yelled from a balcony “hey look it’s the 6 man march”. I don’t know if he was trying to joke around, but my friends and I found it very offensive. We did not know him at all and for him to make a comment like that was totally unnecessary. In regards to the song “Barack Obama the Magic Negro”, I think that was very racial. I know that we all have the freedom of speech, but there are some limitations. For example, a person cannot go to a non-white neighborhood with a Ku Klux Klan outfit yelling out racial slurs. I’m not surprised that videos and photos are posted making fun Obama or trying to slander her name. You would think that since we are in the 21st century, people would grow up and be open to other backgrounds. In regards to the “Star Spanglish Banner”, I think that people should not get upset at Mexican immigrants. This country was taken by force by immigrants so there should not be a problem with another group trying to come to this country. Almost everyone in this country have ancestry from some else in the world. I do not have a problem with Mexicans immigrants, I believe that they should give them more opportunities. So when it comes to joking about a group of people about their race I think it is wrong. I don’t believe that people will stop saying racial jokes, but at least monitor what is said and who is present. When I watch some comedians on television that perform racial jokes I sometimes find them funny depending on the severity of context. However, racial jokes are something’s that should not be taken lightly and should screened depending on the audience in which it is presented if not said at all.

Anonymous said...

When we talk about racism in a since we always talk about if it was statement that we can accept from people or if it was something that we look at as crossing the line. I think we take this into account only because the one who are being offended either respects the offender OR because we know there is some type of truth to this stereotype. Sometimes the stereotypes that people are associated with are sometimes offending people want to show that they are different among their race or religion so when we deny stereotypes it a sense of saying not everybody person is like this. We see people who cross the line because they choose to personally see how far people can take it. In a sense they want to see how far the line can be push because why limit yourself. Sometimes none of the things that are said by people are offensive, but people are not always ready for the line to be crossed or tested. Sometime when the lines are crossed, people are not ready, so inn a sense it looks bad when people actually cross them. Some people cross the line out of shear ignorance of any religious or cultural knowledge so when you hear about people crossing the line it more of a group of people upset at somebody making stupid remark over a certain topic that they have know idea about and that is when crossing the line I bad, especially when we include factor of the media because then we don’t have all sides and understands of topics. It because just a one sided topic, but not only that it just sounds bad. Not all of the time do we sit here in magic land thinking that everybody is going to be good. Sometimes when people make remarks, the chain of events that come later are often something special. Often if we look at some of the thing that are used to offend people count completely ridiculous, but for that same reason I just do not understand how or why some of the thing offend people like they do. I guess in this world all you really have I you respect so in the end we look at the situation and we all just want to be treated with respect. If people choose to criticize something it is just better to take all the aspect or all the situations into account before the judgments are actually made because it make you look stupid, ignorant. Not all the time people can get away with just saying want they want without repercussion, but at least understand why you said the thing that you say and understand in from all aspects before you just jump the gun. Some people are disrespect full for no reason.

Anonymous said...

I know that the blog “When Do We Cross Over the Line?” was posted last week, but I felt compelled to respond to it. Many people spit racist jokes left and right, and I am sure these jokes have been flying since the beginning of time. People are afraid to say them or laugh at them because they are politically incorrect, but should they be scared? Some people are just too uptight. Sometimes we just need to lighten up and laugh at ourselves. I agree that Whites in the United States tend to seem overpowering, but there are tons of what people would call “racist” jokes that put people in a generalized stereotype. There is not necessarily anything mean, harmful, or offensive about these remarks, but groups of people tend to do the same things. Like Sam stated in the blog that black people tend to be associated with eating watermelon, as Mexicans do with hot peppers, and Japanese with Sushi. Is that really as offensive as it is more cultural?
One day in class, Sam made a comment about how white people cannot dance and they have no rhythm. One girl refuted him in a way that seemed she took offence. Sam told her he was not trying to cross the line, but more make a joke at himself and all of the Caucasians who really cannot dance. Of course, there are some white people who can dance, but there is a majority of black people who have great dance skills. Sam was only playing on a generalization, and if you took a survey of the class I bet the general consensus laughed at the joke. I laughed and I am white. People of different races should be able to laugh at racial jokes, even if their race is included.
I have a friend who is Jewish. She HATES Jewish jokes and gets extremely offended. Personally, I agree when she gets mad at Jewish jokes about the Holocaust. That was a hostile, terrible time, maybe even for some of her ancestors. Those “jokes” are flat out mean. Why does she get offended at jokes about Jews being cheap though? Or about how they have big noses? It is usually not true, so why does she get upset over them? She should be able to laugh about it, especially if it does not pertain to her. She has made funny comments about her nose before, but she cannot take it when other people dish these words out.
As I said earlier, being able to laugh at yourself makes life easier and less stressful. I love to kid around as long as the words are not meant to harm. We are never going to stop seeing silly pictures or videos, like the ones posted, so we just need to learn to laugh along.

Anonymous said...

Race is always a sensitive issue but today, it is often used to make a joke. It can be hard to determine if racial jokes are funny or offensive and different people have many different opinions about how far you can go. This is explained in the blog “When do we cross over the line.” It can be hard to tell what is funny and what is offensive. The songs and pictures about Obama were extremely offensive because they play on stereotypes of black people to try to make a joke. I can’t imagine people thinking this is funny. Running for president is difficult for anyone, but being a black man running for president is extremely difficult. Politicians know they will be scrutinized but it shouldn’t be because of what race they are. Politicians should be evaluated based on their policies and beliefs. Although it often does not happen, voters should choose a leader regardless of race. I think the 2008 election has shown many Americans that race is still an important issue today and maybe we haven’t made as much progress as a lot of people think.
Also, Hispanics in America face a lot of discrimination, especially because of what language they speak. It seems as if Americans feel entitled to live here and think no one else has the right to live in America even those most Americans have come here as immigrants themselves. There was a huge controversy recently in Philadelphia regarding a cheese steak shop that refused to serve anyone not ordering in English. Not only is this discrimination, but it also shows how ignorant some Americans are. If I were living in another country, I would hope they would be accepting of me and the fact that I did not know the language. Not all immigrants want to abandon their own culture to assimilate to American culture.
Making jokes about race are often funny, especially if done in a nice manner. But when the jokes use stereotypes as a way of keeping a minority group down, it becomes offensive. A lot of black comedians, especially Dave Chapelle, point out stereotypes of different races but do it in a manner that makes the stereotypes seem stupid. By making fun of these stereotypes, it shows that they are not based on truth and should not be as widely believed as they are and need to change. Hopefully as people become more open to learning about other races, these stereotypes can be removed from our society and people will become more accepting of others. With Obama in the White House, there is finally a chance for equality in America, not only for black people but for people of all races.

Anonymous said...

This blog really made me think a lot about the things I say and that other’s say to me that could be labeled as offensive. We talked a lot about this topic in last week’s discussion section, and this blog adds more questions to the great “what is offensive?” debate.
After attending lecture over the last several weeks, one thing that I have learned is that I think a lot like Sam. In particular, we have similar sense of humors. One example of this is shown in the three images and videos from the blog. I think that all three of them are hilarious, and because they are also true, I don’t think that it is right to find these things offensive.
I am a person that likes to joke around a lot and people may find some things I say to be offensive, even if they don’t pertain to them. When someone tells me something that I said was mean, my common response is “when I say something that isn’t true, I’ll apologize.” I just don’t think that people can be offended by a comment if that comment is true.
Black people like chicken and watermelon and Asians are good at math. These are two common stereotypes that many people hold and make comments about. But due to the fact that these are often true, I don’t think that people should be offended by the comments. I have a very good black friend who constantly makes jokes about the fact that his favorite meal is fried chicken with some watermelon on the side. He can joke about a stereotype, something that I think more people should be able to do.
I understand that I am writing about stereotypes that don’t pertain to me and therefore I am not offended, but I have the same attitude to comments that do affect me. For example, not too long ago I was at a party and was called a “rich white girl from the suburbs.” Did I get angry? No. Why? Because it is absolutely true. I was stereotyped based on my appearance and the way I talked and acted, but the accuser was completely correct on their assumptions. Because of this, I felt that I had no right to be mad. Now, if someone had called me something untrue, then I would have gotten mad.
I feel that the public needs to lighten up a little bit on things and stop calling everything “offensive.” Our society has become fixed on this and by doing this, anything from a kid’s cartoon to “Barack the Magic Negro” could be considered offensive. When people put themselves into the media’s attention, whether it be a celebrity, a presidential candidate, or an illegal trying to sneak into America, that person needs to understand that they will be ridiculed. I truly believe that those people care a lot less about what is being said than others think they do. If everything starts to get marked as offensive for one tiny insult or comment, our country would no longer have anything to read, watch, or listen to.

Anonymous said...

As far as the watermelon picture goes, I don’t think the joke is crossing the line. It’s just a joke. However, adding an insensitive line like “no kids there won’t be an Easter Egg hunt this year…” seems to make a mockery of tradition. It also seemingly says that just because our president is black, White House traditions won’t continue. White or black or yellow or whatever, we are all United States citizens who will most likely continue the traditions of the White House and our nation.
I actually saw this joke a while ago. My boyfriend’s father showed it to me. Although I am fervently against racism, my boyfriend’s family is racist (something I cannot change). I was confused at the joke. I didn’t understand. When I voiced my confusion he explained to me that black people love watermelon – fried chicken and watermelon. I still didn’t understand. He tried to explain it to me, but I couldn’t understand. I said, “I love watermelon, doesn’t everybody? I don’t get what the problem is…” I wasn’t trying to be stupid; I just couldn’t grasp the meaning of the joke. Eventually, he sighed in exasperation and stopped trying to explain it to me. I of course half yelled that he was being unreasonable and irrational – he just laughed.
I don’t put any stock in this ‘joke,’ I believe it’s an outdated notion and I just cannot find any humor in it.
Concerning the “Barack the Magic Negro,” this is a creative joke that goes a little too far in my opinion. It says Obama is not a real black man, talks about problems that real black people have and have to go through…. I think it not only is making an incredible mockery of Barack (putting him on the level of Puff the magic dragon), but is also furthering and supporting the circulating perceptions of black people by an ignorant public. Because of course “real black men like Snoop… have talked the talk and walked the walk.” Obama achieved a great feat – to say he isn’t authentic is just a way of belittling his success.
In response to the Mexican immigrant video – it’s kind of funny, if I could understand all the words. I am a Mexican American and I do not find it offensive. It’s a stereotyped video, made of stereotypes and it is a little funny because it is based on a bit of truth. What I would find offensive, of what would bother me, is people who actually believe that. People who think ALL Mexicans come here and cause problems. My grandfather speaks both English and Spanish fluently. After talking to him, you would never know that he speaks Spanish or that he is anything but a genuinely U.S. supporting American. To think that anyone would judge HIM or my family just because of our ethnicity would bother me. However, to make a stereotype about Mexicans and make a creative video that does NOT suggest anything violent or mean or contain any comments that suggest violence against people – that’s just a funny, creative video made to parody a perceived problem in America – illegal immigration. Of course, like any joke, it is very exaggerated, but when picking and choosing your life battles… is this really something to get upset about? I don’t think so.

Anonymous said...

If you are one of those people that think that people should lighten up and learn how to take a joke. You’re obviously not seeing the point here. These videos are not to be taken lightly…perhaps if YOUR race or YOU were put at the end of a cruel joke then you would understand. It is not fair for people to judge me and not give me a job, treat me with respect, or look at me as a competent person just because of my race.
How would YOU feel if you were told that you couldn’t be paid as much as most people because YOU are of a certain race? How would YOU feel if everyone around you always commented about YOUR race?
I enjoy laughing and I don’t mind a joke or two. But to say that people should lighten up? Do you know the struggles I’ve gone through in order to get where I’m, the amount of times I asked my mom why do people hate the color of my skin? Do you know what its like for a mother to explain such thing to a child?
Lighten up, you say, I think you need to realize that people DIED and are still DYING because of their skin color. How would you feel if you knew that your life could end, you would leave your family, your dreams, your friends, you gf/bf JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE HAD A PROBLEM WITH YOUR SKIN COLOR. How would you feel to be on the spot light every single time someone says a joke and immediately looks at you for your reaction and see if it’s “okay.”
I do think that people should laugh at themselves. But who says that a stereotype describes who I’m? So don’t be naïve and say that if you were Mexican, Black, Jewish, etc. you wouldn’t feel offended. Because the fact is you are not and you will never know what it feels like.
Also – there is research that shows that video games do guide kids to turn to violence as a solution. It is called reinforcement – B.F. Skinner studies – google it.
Other things on my mind - regarding this idea that immigrants bring crime to the U.S.A. Studies/research show that it is the total opposite – an immigrant would want to make themselves not as visible, therefore they usually keep low. The media as taught us about these gangs and “chulos” but this is not every single Mexican – this is not to say that there aren’t Mexican gangs – because they’re definitely out there. But just as many Mexican gangs exist so do American ones.
I usually do laugh at myself and at the ridiculousness that stereotypes are. But this does not mean that EVERYONE is okay with it. So it is unfair for you to find people that do not find humor in this as “taking things too seriously.”
Bottom line – stereotypes can hurt people.

Anonymous said...

I strongly believe that there is a fine line between being humorous and then being blatantly disrespectful. I think that every person who uses the “watermelon joke” knows where it derives from and is aware that it sparks anger in most African Americans. Similarly speaking, the same idea applies to the assumption that the majority of Mexicans want to invade the United States and take power over Americans. These are all myths and perspectives that have hypnotized people into thinking this way about the vast majority of cultures. The “offensive” part is what blooms from these narrow-minded ideas and that is what makes African Americans and Mexicans mad. I could never feel their pain of mental abuse when labels are place upon them just for being who they are. I’ve never talked about this situation with a Mexican because I don’t know too many but I don’t need many broken walls to see their point of view.

In regards to Mexican culture, I can predict how such sentiments positively or negatively affect their lives solely based upon my background upbringing. My own family used to make racial remarks about Mexicans and slander their families if they would hear on the news about more trying to “cross the border”. It’s embarrassing to state that fact but it’s the truth just as that song portrays how people like my elders feel about these individuals who just desire opportunity. Point blank, that song was pathetic in two ways: Trying to be funny and trying to make a political statement. If I was even ¼ Mexican I would laugh my socks off because it just had so little significance to my race. On the flipside, what would boil my blood is the impact that it could perhaps have on the minds of Americans of non-Hispanic descent.

I know that Mexicans are ordinary people just like me. I know that they speak another language other than English, and I know that they have the most daring hearts that I will ever come across on this planet. The same goes for black people. I probably won’t pay this song any attention after I finish this journal. However, I know that if a Republican employer saw the video and then interviewed a Mexican man/woman they would probably not consider them for the job no matter how qualified he/she was. It’s a basic example of fear. The fear of losing control and subduing to another is what will influence the decision of anything. Insulting videos that were made on the strength of this ideology is how crossing the line can provoke a sense of offense. I bet that artist didn’t even know if Obama liked watermelon or if the person making the “Star Spanglish Banner” YouTube clip would make the headline blog on a Race-Relations site. But, they did and bottom line, people need to keep their opinions to themselves if they’re blind to which direction it could fly.

Tom Szed said...

I have an issue with pride.
I am apart of the privileged white male society. If a black couple walks past me in Philly the woman won’t suddenly get cold and hold her man a little closer. If I walk into a convenient store in the middle of the night the old clerk won’t watch me with one hand on the hidden revolver under the counter. I don’t get awkward tense stares if someone asks me if I would like some fried chicken. I will never know what it is really like to be a person of darker skin tone in America today. It is also likely that I will never really know what it is like to be the minority in a social gathering. Those things aside, I think it is nearly impossible to go through this world without someone going out of their way to really try and offend you.
I am a male of not a large stature with a non-threatening face and long blonde hair. On a fairly regular basis I get called a faggot. Pickup truck drives by at 2am “BLONDE FAGGOT!” kids get on the empty bus and see me “hehe look at the faggot”. I have come to the conclusion that they are not simply calling me a faggot in the same way that “gay” is used to mean stupid, because I also get hit on by drunk gay men at 2 in the morning on Sunday night after indigo’s rainbow night lets out. Now I’m not gay, or at least on a scale of 1 to gay I’m probably about a Jake Gyllenhaal. I’ve never actually done the no pants gay dance, but I have no problem convincing total strangers that I love the cock. I believe this might be so because a long time ago I abandoned my pride. Pride is that primitive like mechanism inside all of us that makes us think we need to defend ourselves against people who we care nothing about. If someone is willing to call me a faggot from the window of their moving car, then there is no changing that person, they have gone off the deep end of suppressed homosexuality and they are not coming back. I believe this goes for racists too. If the same thing happened to me that happened to a black man, but instead they called him a nigger, I believe there is no changing that person. The only thing that you can really hope for is that that ignorant asshole will eventually slip up and do something like that in front of someone with power and they will lose their job, or go to jail, or get run over by a truck.
Now I admit that I am comparing the struggles of a black person to the struggles of gay person, but I do not think that they are the same. A black person can’t dress slightly different and groom/talk differently then suddenly be white, they will always be black, as long as they are in America, they will unfortunately always be see as different. Now if you believe that this makes my argument null and void, then fine. I’m only trying to convey the point that an insult is only an insult if it is taken as such. Everyone that has said something offensive to someone else is purposefully looking for a reaction, if you react negatively and in a defensive manner, then they won, they got the reaction they were looking for. If you take that power away from them, then you are the victor. That time those two guys saw me on the bus, and one turned to the other and said “hehe, look at the faggot” I stood up, followed them to their seat, and sat right there next to them. “so I’m glad somebody finally noticed me, you guys wanta come to Chumlies with me tonight? It’s gona be soooo much fun…”

Anonymous said...

I will agree that the statement “I find that offensive” is thrown around far too much. I believe that unless you can back up your reasoning for why it is offensive, you have no reason to speak up, especially if it is not directed toward you.
However, sometimes people’s opinions can hurt others, and sometimes they are meant to. I cannot think of anyone that I know who would be angered by the painting of the White House with the watermelons, although some may not like it and it really is not humorous. Sometimes jokes get old, overused, and were never really all that funny in the first place. Some generalizations can be backed up to a point, but they do not need to be our only ideas of a group of people, we need to learn to dig deeper and see the good. However, would a black individual who is upset about this painting be upset about a generalization that put shows them in a good light? For instance, when I go to track meets and we mention good runners, the first question is usually, “are they black?” Would the same person be offended by this comment or find some type of upper hand in it?
The video of Obama is something to be expected in politics, but it does cross the line. This is, after all, the new leader of the free world and we should back him up as a country, whether we voted for him or not, he needs our support.
When I watched the other video of the Mexicans, I realized just how easy it is to portray a group in a bad light. Not all Mexicans feel this way or act like that. I don’t know how they would react to the video, because I am not Mexican nor do I know any well enough to bring the issue up with, but it does bother me that people are spreading this. It seems to me that they are being shown to be bad just because people are upset with illegal immigrants, but how much do these “aliens” do for us? How many hard labor jobs do they do that most of us would not? They are hired because they need the money and are grateful for the work, not because they want to take our jobs and overrun our country. I would be fine with being a co-worker or friend of a Mexican, they’re people too, and not all are angry.
So what is offensive? That depends on your own personal views. But do not go around saying that you find something offensive if you cannot back it up. If it affects you on a personal level, speak your mind. This is what free speech is for isn’t it?

Anonymous said...

I think every person has a different spot when their line is crossed and different spots for different issues. I could find something funny or amusing that someone else I know would take offense. It is very difficult because everyone reacts differently. I think we get the most offended when it is something we believe or something about who you are. I am a catholic but not a full on catholic. I don’t take offense to a lot of catholic things but there are certain things that bother me. This is probably because they mean something to me. There are things that I don’t take offence to but I think are very inappropriate and upsetting. I think it has to deal with also, if you can laugh about your self or your beliefs. It is like the comedian we watched in class. If we can’t laugh at our selves most would have taken offence to some of the things mentioned. In a comedian’s show you know he is joking but what about that other person with their tone that didn’t seem to be joking. I think the tone someone makes a remark in is very important. If someone is completely serious about what they are saying, I think people have more of a tendency to take offence.
When we were in class on Tuesday, Professor Richards was saying how we don’t know how Jesus was a prophet to the Muslim religion and was saying we knew nothing about how Muslim, Judaism and Christian had the same God. I took offence or disagreed because I knew that. I went to catholic school for 8 years. I had religion everyday. I didn’t think he could say the whole class was unaware. I knew that was his thought about our class but see how easily someone can get offended when you talk about something they know.
With Barack the magic Negro, I think its funny someone would take time to write sure a song about someone. I don’t think the song it self is funny. I bet Barack didn’t even take offence. He seems stronger but who knows it could have really hurt him. I think the people that heard it were either offended, thought it was inappropriate or they laughed. Everyone has a different place where their line is considered crossed.
For the Mexican’s who are in America, I think many of them believe in the United States and our country. To become a citizen is a lot of work and most of them believe in what they learn. Then the Star Spanish Banner just said they don’t. When I first listened to that song I laughed a little because that is what many people say about Mexican immigrants. I think the song would be really offending to any Mexicans in the United States. A line was crossed with both those songs. Even though they had nothing to do with me, I know people are offended and that’s not right.

Anonymous said...

I will admit that many people suffer from the fine line between poking some fun and being slightly offensive. And oftentimes we cross this so-called line and we don’t even know it until the repercussions hit us in the face (sometimes literally).
In our weekly group discussion class we discussed when it is ok to joke about someone’s differences and when you’ve gone too far. I made the point that sometimes I feel certain racial groups become much more heated when a joke (offensive or not) has been made than others. After much discussion on this topic with the people in my class that are of a different race than myself, I have realized that it’s not exactly different races that feel easily offended, it’s different people. A few of the black people in my class say that they oftentimes do not take offense to most jokes because they have a sense of humor. They also made the point that they themselves are highly cultured and interact with all sorts of groups of people and in turn they don’t feel so defensive. This point helps me to believe that when people get heated over what can be argued as nothing, it may just be a sign of ignorance.
On the other hand, if you play on a joke whose actual meaning is offensive then you have without a doubt most likely crossed the line for a vast majority. With the watermelon example, it’s not the actual idea that black people are known for liking watermelon that is offensive, but that the way they are said to eat the watermelon that is a form of inferiority.
As for the “Star Spanglish Banner” video, I feel this video has crossed the line from funny to offensive and highly untrue. Although many feel that the Mexican immigrants are trying to transform our American culture into a Mexican one, I can honestly say that I do not agree. Being from the south I oftentimes get frustrated when I cannot understand the Hispanic cashiers and waiters/waitresses etc. and feel that they should learn the language of our country when they come here. However, I often forget to take a step back and think about how hard it is to learn another country’s language and lifestyle. I took Spanish for five years and I hardly know more than ‘Hola’.
I also find it extremely unfair to say that Mexicans are trying to transform our country into a Mexican one. If they really wanted to live the lifestyle that they had back in Mexico, then they never would have gone through such grueling attempts to make it to America, they would have just stayed there. I feel there is nothing wrong with staying in touch with your culture and practices, but I do think it is unfair to say that they are trying to wish their ways upon us.

Anonymous said...

Hmmm. I do find this picture very offensive. And yes I think that offensive is the right word for it. ANY word is the right word for describing what it is that you are feeling. I feel like there are so many other funny things to joke about than to take something like this and call it an attempt at getting someone to laugh. If you ask me most assholes hide behind that idea of just trying to make someone laugh and accuse other people of being oversensitive to hide that fact that they are an asshole who just made a stupid asshole joke. They also somehow try to discredit people who take offensive to their jokes by concentrating on little things like whether “offensive” is the right word or asking people to defend and explain why they were offended. Yes, it is important to explain to the person/s who has offended you why you are upset because in a nicer world, they of course have no idea why. But people whose work and joy is to make up these “jokes” almost always know why someone would be offended by what they say or the image they portray which is why it is suppose to be funny in the first place.

As far as, the watermelon stereotype goes, let me just say that it can not at all be compared to Japanese people eating sushi or Mexican eating red peppers. First of all, they are not even stereotypes….people don’t go around changing pictures of Japanese picture to somehow incorporate sushi. Secondly, I don’t think watermelon is a very popular thing for black people to eat anyway. I think that if you feel like black people loving watermelon (more than anyone else does) is true than you are feeding into this stereotype that has been in existence for more than 100 years. By the way, I hate watermelon!

I had heard of the Magic Negro song but never got a chance to listen to it but let me tell you that I was shocked. Does ANYONE think this is funny? Maybe I’m bias or something but I also can’t believe he thought this would actually HELP his campaign. And it also sounded to me like someone trying to impersonate a black person (the person singing the song that is), which is a problem in itself. And who actually has time to do all this stuff? I found the Star Spanglish Banner just as offensive, probably more offensive actually. I’m going to assume that the video flick also went with the song originally too. I’m going to guess that maybe a few Mexican people should now explain why this is offensive to PROVE to everyone that it is just slightly offensive enough to not be funny.

Anonymous said...

There is a very fine line between funny and offensive. Most people know when to bite their tongues when around another group of people to not be seen as racist but does that really make you not racist? My mother has told me many times, "If you cannot tell that person or that group of people what you are about to say then do not say it." It is very unlikely that you will go through your entire life without offending anyone. I enjoy telling jokes and hearing them but if I have some feeling that the joke might be offensive why say it. I do not want anyone to tell a joke that offends me so why would I want to offend others. Your audience has a lot to do with what comes out of your mouth. I many tell some red neck jokes around my friends who are white because they know me as a person but in a room full of white people I do not know I don't think I would. I also do not get offended if my white friends ask me a question like, "Can you teach me how to make fried chicken?" because I know she wants to genuinely know how. But I do remind her that many other people might feel insulted by that question because you are assuming they know how.
Personally the picture of the watermelon white house does not offend me now I may not be African American but I am black. I can find the humor in that picture and I do not see where people will see that as crossing the line. I have seen worse pictures on the internet during the election so seeing this does not surprise me.
The songs Barack the Magic Negro and the Mexican Star Spangler banner are just childish. I would like to know who has that much time on their hands to sit down and put those songs together. Barack the Magic Negro song is just brainless, he hasn't even been in office for a month and ridiculous stuff like this is already coming up. I cannot remember seeing anything about Bush until near the end of his term after he had run the American economy into the ground. So why so early in this new President's term? The Republican Party sits back and wonders why they can't get the "black" vote, well how could they when you are coming up and sharing songs like this?
The Mexican Star Spangler banner was very upsetting. Did whoever make that song actually think that people would not be offended by it or maybe that was their intention? Many Mexicans do assimilate to the American culture almost immediately. So just because a few Mexicans do not want to adapt to the American culture that makes every other Mexican must me hated. My own mother is an immigrant and to this day she will not assimilate, she refuses to. I do not understand why everyone gets so upset about someone else's culture. How does their culture affect you personally is doesn't so why do you care so much?

Anonymous said...

After reading this article, I don’t think any new light has been shed on derogatory comments stereotypes. The jokes being aimed at Obama are just a result of someone’s poor humor/ignorance. I didn’t think it was funny at all, I wasn’t “offended”, but I didn’t find it humorous. I mean you have to expect that of people they will do and say anything whether derogatory or not. The person who photo shopped this picture has probably never been invited to eat with a black family at that. For all I know Asians could love watermelons. Were the hell did that stereo type come from anyway.
The way in which society uses stereo types and derogatory comments has been around since the beginning of time. I think that the overall effect basically depends on whom you’re dealing with and what lines they are willing to let others cross and visa versa. You may meet one person who laughs at these gestures and videos and takes “no offense,” they simply brush it off and keep on going on with their business. Then the flip side of this would be those who find certain, images, song etc. “offensive” they take heed to it and don’t condone it. It all depends on the individual and what they will allow to piss them off or just say f*it, say what you want I don’t care.
There are tones of stereo types out there and that is just a way for people to categorize and throw people into a box. Not all black people eat fried chicken, but yet the association is there. White people don’t posses rhythm, this may appear to be extremely true, but then again there are the rare cases like Justin Timberlake who put that to shame. It’s all up to that persons personal opinion rather it be “factual” or a myth. Personally I believe that whoever feels like their being “targeted” has to be the bigger person a say I know I’m not what you are saying I “am” and that’s just your opinion. Once people stop giving a damn about all these labels, they will eventual diminish and loose their power. The more people allow this ignorance to tick them off, the more they feed into its empowerment. As long as people want to continue to defend things they don’t believe attain to them, then the stereotypes will continue to dish out. Sometimes people even feel as though well he called me out of my name or made a joke toward my race so I will do the same. You can’t fight fire with fire because it will just keep on burning. And this is exactly what society is doing. It is going to have to take the balls of a bigger group to stand up and say you know what say what you want about me because I know its not true their for it has no meaning to “me.”

Anonymous said...

I agree with the above comments that there is a fine line between funny and offensive. It definitely takes a lot to really get me going, but when the line is crossed, watch out. I am very comfortable with y race and I feel like I can talk about it openly and freely. I also feel comfortable enough with myself that I can talk about race with other people. Obviously, talking about race or culture with your friends is definitely easier than talking with a total stranger. But, I feel like we, as a culture, are getting closer to that point.
I felt really indifferent when watching the You tube videos in this blog and seeing the picture. Yes, maybe the person who created these images thought they were being “funny” or just poking fun at these particular people. I especially think the “Barack Obama the Magic Negro” video was just ridiculous. I personally think that Chip Sallsman, the guy who actually sent this to people is just flat out immature. Seriously? He actually thought people would find this funny? I find him absurd.
The image of the White House with the watermelons in the lawn instead of Easter eggs is very silly. I do not think it is funny at all, but I am definitely not getting all worked up about it. We all have different jokes and “stereotypes” about different cultures and races. In our recitation class last week we were discussing stereotypes and why people may find them offensive. There are so many “stereotypes” that were brought up. Some I have heard of, some I have not. A lot of times, these stereotypes and jokes are brought up around friends we know are not going to get mad at us. I would never ever go up to a Jewish person and tell them they are cheap. But, I know if I said that to some of my Jewish friends, they would find it funny and just go along with the joke. Actually, they would probably retaliate with some sort of Polish joke, even though I am not Polish at all (my last name ends in “-sky”).
I know I stereotype people a lot. I am not proud of it. I do not want to fall into the crowd with stereotyping but, in our culture, it almost comes naturally to us. Unfortunately, we were brought up in a society where it is not necessarily frowned upon, but everyone does it. Do I like doing it? I absolutely do not. Is there anything I can do about it? I can definitely try my hardest not to stereotype people or judge people and hopefully, I can influence others to do the same.

Anonymous said...

In most cases when people attempt to make a joke or be funny they try and push the envelope. This usually involves playing to stereotypes or singling out a race or both and can be seen in most all standup comedy. In my opinion these things should be viewed with intent. As with most jokes the intent is simply to get a few laughs but sometimes the joke may have some sort of racist undertones. If the intent is malicious then there becomes a problem. I don’t know, maybe I am just weird because I have never really been offended by these types of things. I know what I am and so if people say otherwise it usually just rolls off me and I give it a good laugh. Most people are not as laid back I guess, so it may come off like I am being insensitive to their point of view, but I just don’t see the point in getting offended at every little thing; now having said that, I can see the reason that many of these types of things should be dealt with. By that I mean in a manner that would not foster more impressionable viewers (mainly children) from taking these images to another level and turning them into violent hate crimes against those stereotyped in the depictions. This is obviously an extreme case, but a pertinent topic nonetheless. Aside from that, does anyone truly feel like they are being attacked from the picture of a watermelon patch in front of the white house? I am not really familiar with the history of the joke; I know the stereotype involved but it is news to me that blacks were depicted as subhuman when eating watermelons and thus symbolizing their inferiority. I guess with that in mind I can definitely see the reason for offense. At the same time though, I find it hard to believe that the historical symbolism of watermelons is common knowledge to those who claim to be offended by the white house image. I am not really sure what to make of that. Does it perhaps mean that society has ingrained that offensive piece of the stereotype into their heads to the point that they are offended but do not truly know by what exactly? It seems a little complex and very puzzling at times. I don’t think I will ever really know for sure. Even though personally these things would not offend me, I try to see everyone’s point of view and so even though I don’t really understand the offense some times I always try to refrain from these types of jokes that play on stereotypes. Maybe that’s the best thing that we as a people can do to minimize the mal effect of our very racially divided past.

Anonymous said...

In, When Do We Cross Over the Line, I was a little shocked at the image shown in the article. I thought it was a little absurd and rude, but I realized that it is something to be expected. With a biracial president and different stereotypes floating throughout society, things like this are not really surprising. I already know that in our world people are going to have opposing views regarding certain situations. In my discussion group, we discussed that not all stereotypes are bed. Depending on how you look at them or take them, they are just people’s opinions. They don’t always apply to everyone. In this case, watermelons are in fact a favorite of African Americans. I love watermelon and I am African American. The only reason the image in the blog, kind of caught me off guard was because in knowing the history of the white house, our current president, and just looking at the whole field covered in watermelons, I thought it was a little inappropriate. I absolutely agree with the fact that not all stereotypes are bad but I think that there is an appropriateness that goes along with it. In watching the videos on Obama and The Star Spangled Banner, I thought it was a little disturbing. I don’t understand why people waste their time. Don’t people have lives or better things to do with their time? Seriously. Poking fun at Obama and the Mexicans is not making people believe the lies being made up about them. It’s just making me think more about the person whose idea it was to make those videos. Why does Obama have to be referred to as the magic Negro? Is he not qualified for his position? Did magic really get him where he is right now? I don’t think so. I feel as though in the blog, Sam made some very good arguments coming from both perspectives. I agree with him in saying, “The difference, and hence why the White House watermelon image is offensive, is that blacks have been historically portrayed as hapless, stupid and apelike while eating watermelon. In other words, the watermelon has been used as a prop to drive home the point that black people are inferior.” I think this is exactly why when first glancing at the image it is deemed inappropriate. Sam seemed to sum it all up in those two sentences. On the other hand, I can see where Sam was coming from in saying, “I've heard people argue that joking that black people like watermelon is much like joking that Japanese like sushi or that Koreans like kimchi or that Mexicans like hot peppers. Sure not all do, but by and large those foods are extremely popular in those three cultures and so the generalization works. I totally agree with that statement making me able to see both sides in the presented argument regarding the photo.

Anonymous said...

When I was growing up I had a few Hispanic friends and their life was not as exaggerated as this song makes them seem. Sure they all spoke Spanish at home and still stayed true to their culture but they always seemed as though they wanted to fit into American culture. I think the problem isn’t that Hispanics or Latinos want to separate themselves, I believe that some Americans exclude them or look down on them. I do not know if it is because some Americans ASSUME that Hispanics and Latinos want to be separate but I don’t think this can always be true if they came to this country by choice. I simply believe they do not want to lose themselves or their culture and become fully “Americanized.” What is wrong with wanting to hold on to some of their culture? Other cultures in America do it? Do we say that they are trying to form their own country inside the U.S.?
I mean, how many times has a person walked into a place of business and seen a Spanish-speaking person trying to order something but the person behind the counter could not fully understand them? Did the person behind the counter look annoyed? The bad part is that too many times the answer is yes. SOME Americans are so pompous that they feel as though everyone coming to America BETTER know how to speak English before speaking to them. I remember one of the cheesesteak joints in South Philly refused to serve anyone who could not speak English properly. They had a sign that said please speak English when ordering. This was all over the news and everything and the owners of the restaurant felt as though they had the right to do so. If anything, I feel as though Americans want everyone to speak English and forget their own language and just abide by American culture, no questions asked. However, as soon as another culture introduces a different language it is as though they are disrespecting America.
The Hispanics and Latinos that I have known all speak English very well even if their parents don’t, they still do because they know that in America you have to speak English well in order to get respect and not have people look down on you. For some reason many Americans act like people who do not speak English are stupid. Like, when they talk to them they talk as though they are speaking to a child or a person who is mentally challenged. Foreigners who can’t speak English are by no means “stupid” just because they speak another language. Whenever I see this it makes me sick because now I think of the world “ethnocentrism” because the people that do this are really acting like people who do not speak English are not as smart as people who do speak English.

Anonymous said...

Why do we cross the line? Many responses immediately come to mind to answer this question. Some of these reasons include ignorance, indifference, inquisitiveness, and outright spite. While done for different reasons, they almost always have the same result; someone ends up offended.

We’ll start with the most obvious, outright spite. Select groups of people will cross the line in order to offend a certain race or culture of people. These include racist jokes so over the top that only a true racist would find humor in the statement. I would like to think this is a very small group of people, however, I know there are those out there that feel a certain way and have no problem saying hurtful things to show and offend others with differing beliefs how they feel, but I feel a majority of offenses are incurred by the ignorant people of this world.

The ignorant people of the world tend to think something is funny and will share this story with others. However, they are ignorant to the fact that they might have crossed the line. These people tend to offend and then immediately feel remorse and apologize when they realize what just happened. I have witnessed many of these occurrences in my time on this earth. As much as we like to believe that we are an intelligent being, I have met many people in this world who tend to disprove this theory. The indifferent offenses are a subcategory of the two previously listed.

From what I have witnessed, indifferent people may or may not realize the presence of a line, but either way feels no remorse for the offense they caused. I would not include them in the racist and outright spite group due to the fact that they do not personally attack a person, but rather tend to offend in a secondary manor. One example of this would be when a friend retorted a statement with “Your Mom!” Someone soon confronted him and said, “What if his mom was dead? It wouldn’t be as funny then would it?” He proceeded to laugh it off and say, “I think I know him a little better than you.” He then turned and walked away, but the other person’s statement made me wonder if that person might have recently lost their mother. My inquisitive nature is almost always present, and which is why I saved this category for last.

I am a very sarcastic person, which all my friends would immediately attest to. I do not set out to offend anyone, but I will almost always cross the line to get a reaction. When I say I cross the line, I don’t mean I tiptoe up to it and stop as soon as I can see someone is going to be offended. I see the line as a toe board and me as a long jumper. My comments will usually receive an awestruck gaze from a crowd. I do this in order to gage the reactions of others in the group to get an idea of how demented their minds are. By going so far over the line, you can almost immediately tell which category each person will fall into, and yes, everyone will fall into a certain category. If anyone reading this can honestly say that they have never offended anyone, then I hate to tell you but you are in the ignorant category and no one knows you well enough to confront you. My suggestion is to pull the stick out of your backside and make some friends. Being offended is the least of your problems.

Anonymous said...

It is sad to see while we talk about the world moving forward, and peace and racial understanding gaining momentum, that people still find the time to poke fun at unnecessary things. In general, people who want racial tensions to go away, are the same people that laugh at racial jokes. However funny these jokes are, and they sometimes tend to be, those laughs only add insult to injury. Especially when those jokes are made about people who struggle to become a part of a culture, who work hard, and are still told they don’t belong.
Sure everyone likes a laugh, but there are better things to talk about than race, and there are definitely funnier things. People may argue that joking about the issue may lighten things up, but most brutality in the world began with similar, snide jokes.
Recently, for example, Michael Richards, the man who played Kramer on the hit comedy show Seinfeld, was slightly heckled (booed at) at one of his comedy shows. He attempted to joke about it and his joke was weak enough to be seen as offensive. It was what he said, and more importantly, the manner he said it in, that convinced the audience that he was trying to be offensive. This pushed the audience from heckling him to complete outrage. Especially as he was joking about a culture that he did not belong to.
I believe that racial jokes should be reserved to those who are truly talented enough to make them with offending anybody or offending everyone equally. Russell Peters, an Indian/Canadian comic, is a champion of this kind of joke and he is known for it.
I think a big reason why people are as offended as they are by racial jokes is because these jokes generally tend to target stereotypes, which are general images of a culture, or type of people. While stereotypes exist because, for the most part, they are true, stereotypes are being changed constantly in today’s fast moving world. When people are mocked by the very stereotype they are trying to change, it makes them feel as if their attempt to change is not valued, or seen as significant by the rest of the world, and this upsets them.
This is a time period when we are just beginning to understand each other’s cultures. This is a time when cultures and stereotypes and images of people are beginning to change. We should wait before we make racial jokes and definitely learn to think before we speak

Anonymous said...

With race relations in the media, the question that comes to the forefront very often is what is funny and what is crossing the line. I value humor is day to day society and in the media. I think it brings a sense of closeness and light-heartedess to an overly serious issues. I enjoy this because it makes it more relatable to the every man who is not into reading the boring strictly business columns of the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal. I also believe in freedom of speech. The freedom of speech is in our first amendment, making it obvious that our founding fathers valued it very highly. This freedom also encompassing free expression and freedom to write what they please as long as it is not blatantly false. If everything becomes off limits to talk about and to joke about, race relations will never improve. I like when Sam in lecture doesnt try to be nice to everyone. He plays into stereotypes to break the ice and to show that he is on everyones team. If we are scared to talk about things, we will never be able to break the thoughts that have been thoughtlessly passed on from generation to generation. People should want to be politically correct, not forced to do so. This leads me to my main point of this post: People will be politically correct or humorous depending on whether it makes sense for them to do so. While individuals arent forced to be serious, companies who are focused on image and profitablilty usually are. So, when you work for a company who values equality and fairness, you instantly are an extension of that company or organization. By making a song called "Barack The Magic Negro" that person is doing many things simultaneously. First, they are just having fun. Second they are making a political statement. They are saying that Barack is duping the American people and they also are using a term that many people find offensive. The last thing they are doing is representing other people, who whether they like it or not, are grouped into this person words. The people writing these songs and saying certain things are representing their political parties, and in the Magic Negro case, the Republican party. I am sure that the RNC is not using the word negro in their vocabulary. It is also assumed that the people who find this funny are already against Barack, so this is convincing people of anything. The only thing I can think this really achieves is alienating all of the on the fence voters. Do they want to allign themselves with people who think or talk like this. Whether it is offensive or not, the negative connotation exists, doing only harm to the organization that they care about. The song does have legitimate arguments against Barack but by having that name, the good points are negated, in my mind, because I wouldnt want to agree with someone who talks in a disrespectful tone.

Anonymous said...

I am white and I love watermelon. In fact, I have a very racially mixed group of friends from high school and I can in all honestly tell you that none of my black friends like watermelon. We had a senior barbeque on the last day of school and someone brought in fruit soaked with alcohol. Yeah, I know underage drinking, especially on a high school campus is not a good idea. However, we were safe and didn’t get caught. I distinctly remember this day because was one of my favorites from high school but my friends and I were sitting around with all these containers of fruit, I mean seriously what else would we eat first? We also didn’t tell the other girls (all girls high school) that the fruit was soaked in fruit and said we were on a diet. So we were playing a game, going through the yearbook and every time someone started to get too nostalgic we had to eat a piece of fruit. This got us pretty drunk pretty fast since we were abnormally close. After all the good fruit was gone all we had left was vodka soaked watermelon. I’m not saying that watermelon isn’t good it’s just that we had so much of it compared to the pineapple. So we were pretty tipsy but against all good choices we kept eating fruit. The two black girls, one white girl and one Chinese girl refused to eat the watermelon. They simply hate the fruit. We all knew this, we called them freaks for that. (I mean seriously of a group of 10 friends what are the chances that FOUR don’t like watermelon??) But in a drunken haze, one girl who was not a close friend but a good friend said to the two black girls “but you’re black, every black person loves watermelon. You are the first ones that I have met that haven’t!!!!”

Their reaction wasn’t anger or negativity. They laughed. Mainly because they knew and loved this girl (and also who wants to start a fight on the last day of high school), but they knew she meant nothing negative by it. I believe that a statement like that in a situation where you KNOW who you are talking to and you know they will understand why you are stereotyping its okay to poke fun as long as you know how far you can go. Most of the time, people do not know how far they can go. Most humor depends on who is saying it and why they are saying it. If a black person made the Easter egg/watermelon joke then I bet it would bring laughs. If a white Republican made it, they would be deemed a bastard. Humor does not transcend the race line. The Obama and Mexican songs are deemed unacceptable because they were made and passed around by republicans who are anti-Obama and anti-Mexicans/immigrants/Spanish(? However you want to phrase that?) but if Obama’s friends made a video about him or a Mexican made a Spanish version of the star spangled banner I guarantee it would bring laughs because it was meant in good fun, not to make fun. There is a difference and it a big one. It draws this line that people cross-over way too often.

MikeDelanoy said...

Michael Delanoy
Merriam-Webster dictionary defines offensive as “of, relating to, or designed for attack.” I believe that people that accuse others as being “offensive” are using it out of context most of the time. I believe that unless someone is directing an offensive comment towards you it cannot actually be offensive. It is perfectly fine if that statement bothers you, but claiming to take offense is a bit much. I agree that the statement “I find that offensive” is thrown around far too much and people need to realize what fits the definition of offensive and what doesn’t.
The painting of the White House being painted with watermelons may be humorous to some but it may also be insulting to others. It is true that many people joke that African Americans like watermelon, but it is an unfair stereotype because this is not true about everyone. In many instances, if someone has strong beliefs towards someone or something, their beliefs can insult and hurt others. When people make stereotypes about certain races or religions, even if it is not necessarily insulting, it can get old and bothersome to that particular people. People often assume that black people are automatically good at many sports and that they do not need to work hard to get where they are. It is true that black people are seemingly good at many sports, especially basketball and football, but this does by no means mean that they didn’t put in the work and effort to get to where they’ve gotten.
I do not believe that the Obama video crosses the line. This is something that should be expected in politics and people should realize this. It is important however that as a united nation, we support him and any decisions he makes. We elected him and put or trust in him so now it is time for everyone to let him do what he thinks is best.
As much as people love to hate Mexican people, they are what keep our nation running. Let’s be honest; no one wants to do the type of labor that they do for such little charge. They get portrayed in such a bad light however it is easy to understand why many Americans get upset. On paper it seems as though they are a hindrance to many Americans, but when it comes down to it, they jobs that most Americans wouldn’t even consider doing. However I have mixed emotions when it comes to legal immigrants versus illegal immigrants. I have a little bit of a problem with illegal immigrants because while our country is employing them, they are not even paying taxes like the rest of us.

Anonymous said...

The picture of the watermelons is kind of funny, and I think if you dig deep enough you can find anything offensive. I think the stereotype of black people liking watermelons is more about finding something to make fun of black people for. I don’t think it is an attempt to demean black people to put them on the same level as apes. We all eat watermelon, and that doesn’t mean anyone has less class than anyone else. Black people love watermelon because it is delicious. We all love watermelon. It is juicy, refreshing, very flavorful, and fun to eat. It is a fruit that has everything going for it. It is similar to the stereotype that black people love chicken. Don’t we all love chicken? Chicken is the most solid food. It is healthy, tasty, and comes in so many great forms. Saying black people love chicken is similar to saying black people love air. Because everybody loves chicken, and everybody loves air. Now, the song about the magic Negro is a different story. It is like they are saying that it takes magic for a black guy to be a legitimate person, which is obviously ridiculous. The republicans are sour because they lost the election and are trying to put others down in order to make themselves feel better. With that being said, I don’t think its fair to say that republicans should not run our country because this song was passed around. It was a very misguided attempt at I don’t know what, but why doesn’t Barack take any heat for sitting through Reverend Wrights hate ceremonies every Sunday. Barack brought his children that he is trying to shape into respectful, loving human beings to Reverend Wrights sanctuary of hate every Sunday. Those services were un-American, hateful, and backward thinking. Should a guy that shows poor enough judgment to let his kids sit through that every week be in charge of a country? It is yet to be seen. As for the song about Mexicans, it is also unfair. The majority of Mexicans do want to conform to our culture, learn our language, and be dedicated citizens to the United States of America. However, it is not these Mexicans that stand out. The Mexicans that stand out are the few who do not attempt to learn our language. Those are the Mexicans that frustrate storeowners and others. If they are going to come to our country, they should at least try to speak our language. The answer obviously is not to make offensive stereotypes, or kill innocent Mexican young adults. The problem with the line is that people do not cross it at first; they just hang out at it for a while. But people get bored of the line, and are not entertained with it anymore. They then cross it into the more offensive humor. This doesn’t mean physically harming people. What happened in NYC is so far past the line that it shouldn’t even be mentioned in the same breath as the line.

Anonymous said...

This is certainly a tough question to tackle. While almost all of us get a chuckle out of “Barack the Magic Negro,” it certainly walks on that line of whether or not it’s too far. I feel as though all of us have that personal line within us as to when a joke certainly goes too far. I know that no joke can really affect me as a white person. But I certainly find it believable that black people may have a different tolerance level in the realm of racial jokes. It is important to note that the joke cannot be made in a malevolent manner. Almost certainly once that happens, I feel as though any group would take offense to that.
I think the major thing that separates “Barack the Magic Negro” and say the watermelon patch picture is there are no ill intentions implied. Probably the most offensive part is the fact the Barack Obama is called a Negro. Keep in mind that I being White can’t really relate to such a comment. From what I can tell though, the watermelon image is not that the watermelon itself is offensive but the watermelon implies that black people are simple creatures easily controlled by simple things, which couldn’t be farther from the truth. Maybe this is the line for jokes too? Maybe its ok to say, “I can’t dance. I’m not black like you,” is ok because it says a positive thing, almost saying, “I’m not as good as you.” But to make a negative implication towards another group though is perhaps what causes the reaction of, “That offends me.”
Another imperative thing to consider is that certain races have tensions among each other, whether warranted or not. There will forever be that tension between Whites and Blacks due to the nation’s tainted history of slavery. However, to my knowledge, Asians and Blacks however, may have a greater tolerance in regards to racial humor because they don’t have the same wound as the other two. That makes me wonder though. What are proper rules in regards to races? Do you capitalize Blacks and Whites, or do you just treat them as any other word? I’d imagine Asian is capitalized because it includes the name of a continent.
Something else that I did want to comment on is where Sam says that it is too easy to say, “I’m offended by that.” I think that some people that are merely confrontational will attempt to use this to segue into an argument or worse, a physical fight. When it comes to this, thing’s have truly gotten bad. When anything comes to blows, which it has before, the situation definitely needs attention. Therefore that statement should never be made unless its absolutely true.

Anonymous said...

Nowadays, I think people take things too seriously. I understand some things are going to hurt your feelings but you will never like everything in the world. The picture with the watermelons in the front of the white house was wrong. Although I thought it was a little funny. Being African American, I didn’t really take offense to it because it was just a picture. If I was to have known who actually made the picture and their race, I may feel a little differently about it. If it were a white person who made it, I might get a little upset, but what can I do about it? It is already drawn and shown to the world. A musical group called The Roots, made a album called “Watermelon, Chicken, and Grits”. No one really had a problem wit the title of the title of the CD because they were black and the type of music they wrote, went with the title. They talked about how the title signifies who they are or how their ancestors were portrayed. Watermelon, chicken, and grits are foods that were widely eaten by blacks in the south. So this picture of watermelons in front of the white house is not offensive to me. The title for the picture is not okay. “No, children, there will be no Easter Egg hunt at the White House this year” is rude. If it were just a picture that said something like “look what’s growing at the White house this season,” or “look at the new garden”, it would be a little better.
I believe when people make fun of other cultures, it is just human nature. No matter how hard people try to convince others that they don’t see a difference or they don’t acknowledge the difference is lying. It has been plenty of times where I have caught myself laughing at another culture or being shocked by another culture and thought it was weird what they did. It is just human nature and it always will be no matter what people try to do. Maybe we can try to keep it a little more discrete but I like real people and If you have some type of feeling towards anything I would rather you tell me to my face instead of say it behind my back.
Also, for the Mexican Star Spangled Banner, I thought that was a little funny but It was wrong. No one has the right to talk about any other race or make fun of any other culture, but as I said previously, people are human and that is human nature. There is probably a racist or prejudice song about every culture, somewhere on you tube. People also make fun of their own culture. Its hard not to make fun of a culture that makes fun of themselves. Although it is wrong, I don’t think there is a way to stop it.

Anonymous said...

I have always had what some would say to be the weirdest pet peeve ever. My biggest pet peeve is when people determine their politics based on what their parents believe. Having gone to an all-girls private prep school I was obviously surrounded by a lot of Republicans who had NO idea what they were talking about. They were truly so ignorant to what the republican party was about that openly contradicted themselves every time the issue of politics came up. I had to listen to their crap when Bush got re-elected and I was not happy but I did not attack Bush. I made my opinions known then dropped the issue.

On election night, I was elated. McCain had conceded the election at exactly 11:03 p.m., that is before all the polls had even closed and the quickest that a candidate has ever conceded from the race. My high was quickly brought down when I logged into facebook. Girls I had spent four years of my life with and some people that I had known longer than that were openly making their facebook statuses horrible racial comments. Things such as “I’m moving to Canada,” I could handle. However, things like “White people, report to the cotton fields at 6am. Love Obama. LOOK WHAT YOU FUCKERS DID” Or “my president isn’t black….i have no president” or “goodbye freedom, welcome to the Muslim America”, I could not handle. There were pictures posted of people burning Obama signs and what I have written is not even the worst of the bunch. I was appalled by the fact these people could make such horrific comments.

That is exactly what happened at this county too. How can people feel that it is necessary to say these things is beyond my comprehension. This watermelon joke crosses the line, it is offensive because there are negative connotations associated with the image of black people and watermelon. I can see why there may be confusion about if it goes too far or not but when it comes to making jokes about race, society pretty much dictates that unless you are making a joke about your own race, it can be offensive. It may not seem fair or right, but it is true. The bigger question to ask is why do we need to even make jokes like this? I understand that there will always be jokes made about the president but this is a joke about his race, not about his actions as the president. No one made fun of Bush for being right, they didn’t make a cartoon about him being a rich white guy at the country club so why is it that we feel like a joke about Obama being black is acceptable to publish?